View Poll Results: Is the violent supression of opinion ever warranted and/or justified?

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  • No, all people should have the unrestricted power to express their opinions

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    Question Is the violent supression of opinion ever warranted and/or justified?

    Would you support a state that violently suppressed the voices of those (leftists, communists, queers, Muslims, Jews, Freemasons, Zionists, geoengineers, etc.) that deliberately attempt to damage, disrupt, degenerate and decay western civilization for their own or their associates' benefit, or share similar beliefs to those that do?

    The harm this causes would be exclusively to those sharing beliefs akin to those listed, and said beliefs would certainly have to be defined by law. Obviously a nation state would have to be professional, fair, and responsible with such powers, and checks and balances would be set in place to prevent the power from spoiling. It would be treated as a regrettable necessity in order to protect the populace from minorities that share sick views which they intend to act upon and spread.

    For example, say Amschel the "French" pro-LGBT Zionist Freemason communist geoengineer creates a blog which he advertizes stylishly and cleverly and attracts a large reader base to. For the last several weeks, he has been writing decrepit material targetted at the youth with the intention of corrupting their instinctive morality and making them susceptible or perhaps even curious about Marxist-Leninism. Should a nation's law enforcement organizations be able to investigate this man, monitering his behavior, and progress through a process that would result in the acquisition of a warrant permitting local law enforcement to break down his door, capture and detain him, and question him?

    Of course, to prevent a police-state from formulating this would have to be moderated by forces independent of the administration, such as a strict and logically clear constitution or- God forbid- majority vote. This sort of power is extremely undesired under current regimes, but would be desired provided the masses largely agreed with the protection under a benevolent, "far-right" modernized traditional sort of government. In other words, a benevolent one, safeguarded from spoil, eternally. Something a representative democratic Judeo-plutocracy could and would never achieve.

    Essentially, what you are being asked is whether or not you believe in exceptions to the 'freedom of speech' rule- explicitly defined destructive ideologies that have reigned chaos in the past (and present).

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    Nope. A violent response will only evidence a desperate attempt to counter an imminent 'threat'. A 'threat', in this case, that it's actually a reaction to certain moral shortcomings in western societies, and it emphasizes them and is nourished from them and, therefore, the attempt of a violent repression will only make this 'threat' stronger. That it's to say, a social system that requires repression in order to maintain order it clearly has as I said, moral shortcomings, as not being able to comprehend human problematics and, therefore, being unable to give them a satisfactory answer. And this creates, let's call it, a "leftist reactionism". If this 'leftism' starts to heavily influence the population and even overrides the system, then the previous system has fallen by its own flaws and weakness. And I'm all for social darwinism.
    In other words, if you can influence people to follow certain guidance to the point you believe you have to opress them and force them to follow you, that talks a lot about you.
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    Yes, with stupid opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feral View Post
    Nope. A violent response will only evidence a desperate attempt to counter an imminent 'threat'. A 'threat', in this case, that it's actually a reaction to certain moral shortcomings in western societies, and it emphasizes them and is nourished from them and, therefore, the attempt of a violent repression will only make this 'threat' stronger. That it's to say, a social system that requires repression in order to maintain order it clearly has as I said, moral shortcomings, as not being able to comprehend human problematics and, therefore, being unable to give them a satisfactory answer. And this creates, let's call it, a "leftist reactionism". If this 'leftism' starts to heavily influence the population and even overrides the system, then the previous system has fallen by its own flaws and weakness. And I'm all for social darwinism.
    In other words, if you can influence people to follow certain guidance to the point you believe you have to opress them and force them to follow you, that talks a lot about you.
    The minortities that propagate sick ideologies do so either knowing that they are malevolent or are simply too gullible and foolish to be trusted to express their opinions. There are no benevolent intellectuals that genuinely support leftism, which is why this sort of suppression is both logical and necessary.

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    I voted for: No, I would never trust any state to possess that power, even if monitored by the citizenry

    The problem with your proposal is that leaving power in a centralized elite with the ability to decide what exactly is harmful to the nation is innately dangerous. The elite can define the 'danger' of certain ideas according to their own tailored agenda. They currently do this, in the form of political correctness.

    The only exception I would make for this is under war time conditions, where any treasonous or collaborative opinion can be justifiably silenced.

    Edit: if it was possible to outlaw communistic ideas by law, through the use of a constitutional amendment, then I would support that as a justifiable limitation. But then, it wouldn't be enforced by the government but by the supreme court, as it would be untouchable.

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    The only doctrines that should be forbidden by law are communism and other red ideas.
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    In the last couple of days at this forum I've been seeing these words all over. I come here to be racist and read pseudo-science outdated physical anthropology. I don't come hear to read angry-virgin-code-talk.

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    Depends on the political system and it's ideological foundations. In a conservative society, it is perfectly justified to suppress the expression of certain opinions, certain wrongdoings that do not fit the frame of dominant moral norms. Basically, that is what true conservative political parties stand for. You don't vote for them if you are a gay rights activist or a feminist.

    In a liberal democracy though, we could say that oppression is against the main liberal principle of freedom. But, there are certain individuals and groups with more or less aggressive, anti-democratic and anti-liberal ideas. Those people are capable of destroying the liberal democratic system if they win the elections. The key question is, should those people be allowed to participate in public and political life and openly express their ideas? In my opinion, they should, with some minimal restrictions when it comes to violent rhetoric and political activities and if they ever grow so strong to win the elections, the power belongs to their representatives who are free to reform the society the way they promised, even if it means the collapse of liberal democracy. If such rights are denied, the key principles of liberal freedom of expression and democratic choice are violated. That is a widely present contradiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portusaus View Post
    Would you support a state that violently suppressed the voices of those (leftists, communists, queers, Muslims, Jews, Freemasons, Zionists, geoengineers, etc.) that deliberately attempt to damage, disrupt, degenerate and decay western civilization for their own or their associates' benefit, or share similar beliefs to those that do?
    Yes, not only would I support this, but I think it's necessary to fix certain regions of the world. Another group I would add to that list is any kind of "human rights" or humanitarian organization. Any movement or ideology which promises to increase the number of useless low IQ morons in the world needs to be violently suppressed.

    Look at what a great job Alberto Fujimori was doing in Peru by forcibly sterilizing the promiscuous retard population until "human rights" organizations cried foul and helped oust him from power. In a sane world, Fujimori would've been made dictator for life.

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