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    thats assume. Here it is the same. You can organize protests and events but the communists here crash them. America is also very anti nationalist. People who patrol the border for free are labelled as hate groups [yet some of them are Spanish-Americans who have ancestry from mexico but are cattle ranchers along the border]......its that insane here and politically correct.... even pro Israel groups are labelled as hate groups hahahaha [not that I care about them].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven_ View Post
    glasses, I wasn't arguing against the fact Latvia is not rich and Eastern Latvia is even poorer.

    However, I was arguing against your words also Latvia like other baltic states is plain banana republic where good jobs limited to state owned companies and government/administration. Minorities do not really have any chance to get such jobs. Because officials, policemen and so on are balts only. The quote I provided you earlier clearly denies your words.

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    Most Russians reside in cities with better work perspectives and higher salaries, not in rural areas where unemployment is widespread.
    You linked some "good" jobs in Latvian Railway or Latvian Shipping. Good jobs i mean officials, not some labour intensive activities in Latvian Railway I also stated that there is no wall for "non-natives" like in Estonia, but ethnic latvians are overpresented among officials.
    Also we are not talking about Latvia as whole, my first comment here was response to "higher living standards" than most of Russia. And since we are discussing russian "uprising" in Latgale, i point out that living standards in Latgale are lowest in Latvia and on pair with not so prosperous regions like Pskov. So russians in "disputed" Latgale will not stand for Latvia because of their higher living standard. They simply do not have higher living standards at all.
    Russians in Riga are pretty good i agree. but according to op Putin's target is Latgale, not Riga
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    Quote Originally Posted by glasses View Post
    You linked some "good" jobs in Latvian Railway or Latvian Shipping. Good jobs i mean officials, not some labour intensive activities in Latvian Railway I also stated that there is no wall for "non-natives" like in Estonia, but ethnic latvians are overpresented among officials.
    Also we are not talking about Latvia as whole, my first comment here was response to "higher living standards" than most of Russia. And since we are discussing russian "uprising" in Latgale, i point out that living standards in Latgale are lowest in Latvia and on pair with not so prosperous regions like Pskov. So russians in "disputed" Latgale will not stand for Latvia because of their higher living standard. They simply do not have higher living standards at all.
    Russians in Riga are pretty good i agree. but according to op Putin's target is Latgale, not Riga
    The OP posted an interesting map though.

    Anyway. The difference between E. Latvia and E. Ukraine is that the former is not a an industrial center. Russia may seek to attract Russians in E. Latvia by promising financial aid and investments. However, unlike people in E. Ukraine, E. Latvians do not feel a fear of losing their market share in Russia. Simply because they don't produce much. Also, Latvia as a whole is not as dependent on Russia.
    One more thing that should be pointed out. Latvia is a small country. I feel that there would be less mistrust between the people of Latvia in case separatist conflicts arise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven_ View Post
    The OP posted an interesting map though.

    Anyway. The difference between E. Latvia and E. Ukraine is that the former is not a an industrial center. Russia may seek to attract Russians in E. Latvia by promising financial aid and investments. However, unlike people in E. Ukraine, E. Latvians do not feel a fear of losing their market share in Russia. Simply because they don't produce much. Also, Latvia as a hole is not as dependent on Russia.
    One more thing that should be pointed out. Latvia is a small country. I feel that there would be less mistrust between the people of Latvia in case separatist conflicts arise.
    Do you really think ordinary folk think about market share, dependancy and all that crap?
    80%+ of people do not care, they just want more money and everything else money can provide. Only minority have believes, ideals and only minority from this minority would risk their possesions and their lives for their believes and ideals. With some propaganda and promises even ethnic latvians would vote joining Russia.
    Crimeans were happy to join Russia because of expected money flow in their pockets. Referendum was ticket into much better life nothing else really. Once it happened people in eastern Ukraine decided they want it too! Because some crimean granny calls to her friend in Donetsk and tell that her pension is now 2 times higher and in 4 months will be 3 times higher. Democratic pro-western authorities unlike asiatic distator Yanukovych were very easy to start use weapons, some "random" civilian deaths happened and things escalated very quickly and now we have civilian war out there. Locals supported militants at start and willingly provide human shield for them, but after some deaths they disapeared. Only minority actually fight right now, separatists have only some thousands militants and volunteers. May be dozen thousands.

    Concerning op, Latgale or even Latvia as whole has zero strategical or geo-political value. Prize is not worth efforts. There is not reason for population to change country as well, same shit at other side of border anyway. Also you actualy red opinion of that expert? He says it is US (not Putin) who wants ukrainian situation in Latvia.
    Основная причина ухудшения положения русской общины и обострения конфликтной ситуации в Латвии – это политика США, направленная на окружение России лояльными режимами, что бы ни дать ей возможность восстановить роль мировой державы и создать мощный Евразийский союз. В этой политике Вашингтон сделал ставку на местные националистические силы, а в русских Прибалтики в целом лояльных России, Запад подспудно видит угрозу своему влиянию. Создание кольца нестабильности вокруг России, США будут добиваться любой ценой, а при определённых сценариях даже при помощи дестабилизации внутри своих стран-вассалов.

    Поэтому повторение украинского сценария вполне вероятно и в Латвии. Тем более что желание восстановить пошатнувшиеся экономическое влияние США в мире будет подталкивать Вашингтон к различным авантюрам с весьма меркантильными целями - парализовать транзитные пути Россия-Европа, нарушить традиционные экономические связи России с Евросоюзом и укрепить конкурентные позиции США на рынках Европы, - считает эксперт.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crow View Post
    Same here. Our government is becoming absurd with their behavior and stupidity. Our government is nervous because 1.5 million men here have just got back from Iraq, they have no jobs, they witness how the government handled Iraq and they are not too happy.....Democracy is failing America.... its only a matter of time before they [government] steps aside for real leaders. I have a feeling though there could be a civil war, more like socialists vs capitalist, vs neo-confederates/fascists.
    I was actually shocked to see how easily they broke the 2nd amendment. There's lots of crazy things going on atm. Wars cost US cosmic amounts of money while on the same time the poverty and unemployment grow.
    EU's goal, on the other hand, was to establish an economical power and chase after economies like US. That will never happen. Too many ex-commies on the highest ranks + what they are trying to do I believe is to establish NWO over here as well - one power state, with centralized bank, army (still only on the talks level, and that tbh would undermine NATO pact which makes no sense to me)... cuttin long story short - you give up your sovereignty to create a socialist power state... Hitler would be proud (especially that Germany is the leading country in EU... coincidence? I think not )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armstrong01 View Post
    However one classified the types, Putin does look like autochthonous Finnic speakers from eastern Finland and north-western Russia agreed by many people.


    Mika Häkkinen is not very "standard" looking Finnish person. C.S Coon wrote that Finns are basically etiher Nordic or East Baltic. Mika is bascially Neo-Danubian with lot of Ladogan features.

    Typically East Baltic Finns:



    Typical Nordic Finn:


    Neither looks like Putin. Thus Putin is not Finnic looking.

    Within any random Finnish gathering, it is possible to pick out Nordic individuals of ordinary Iron Age type, as well as broad-faced, snub-nosed individuals who are exaggeratedly East Baltic. There is a considerable individual range, although the regional trends are well marked and constant.

    - C.S Coon : Races of Europe, The Baltic Finns: Finland
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