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    Default Haplogroup J2b1 - M205 ("Balkan cluster")

    According to Serbian DNA project, haplogroup J2b1 - M205 is represented with 5,86% (July, 2014.), or 31/529 tested persons (Serbs, Croats and muslims).

    J2b1 - M205 results (Serbian DNA project)
    http://poreklo.rs/srpski-dnk-projeka...bM205&lang=lat

    Characteristic markers for our "Balkan cluster" is DYS392=12 and DYS437=14.
    Similar haplotypes are found amoung Bulgarians (three persons), Romanians (two persons), Czechs (one person), Italians (one person), Germans (two persons) and English (one person).
    Our biggest problem is that we have only two guys with 67 tested markers, so it is hard to say when and where lived our most distant ancestor.

    It seems that we were isolated from others J2b1 M205 branches, because closest haplotypes to our group is two French and one Greek (same ancestor before around 4000 years).

    What do you think about this haplogroup and this "Balkan cluster"?

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    Last edited by Okirus; 07-15-2014 at 07:00 PM.

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    J2b1 - M205 (Serbian DNA project, 9.2.2014.)
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    J2b1 - M205 (Serbian DNA project, 8.5.2014.)
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    It seems with a quick look that the haplotypes are quite close to each other.There isn't much diversity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HellLander87 View Post
    It seems with a quick look that the haplotypes are quite close to each other.There isn't much diversity.
    Thanks for response!

    According to Nordtvedt calculator most distant ancestor of our J2b1 - M205 (tested on 37 markers) lived before 690 years.
    According to McGee calculator most distant ancestor of our J2b1 - M205 (tested on 37 markers) lived before 840 years.

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    J2b1 - M205 (Serbian DNA project, 19.8.2014.)

    Last edited by Okirus; 08-20-2014 at 11:18 AM.

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    Why would J2b1 - M205 be a Balkan cluster? Is that from Romans or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guapo View Post
    Why would J2b1 - M205 be a Balkan cluster? Is that from Romans or what?
    Haplogroup J2b1 M205 originated probably from Syria (before 6.000 years ago).

    We have three main branches - Arabian, Anatolian-Armenian and European.
    "Balkan cluster" are just part of European J2b1 M205 branch.
    Characteristic markers for our "Balkan cluster" is DYS392=12 and DYS437=14. We have more than 40 persons from Balkan (Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Romania) with these values, and just three persons from other parts of Europe with these values (Germany, Italy).
    "Balkan cluster" have just three "close matches", before around 4.000 years ago (France, Greece).

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    Although they make up a small overall minority in the Serbian DNA Project I do see some Serbs who are J2a as well.

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