Haplogroup J2b1 - M205 ("Balkan cluster")

[Okirus]

Although they make up a small overall minority in the Serbian DNA Project I do see some Serbs who are J2a as well.

J2a table
http://poreklo.rs/srpski-dnk-projeka...r=J2a&lang=lat

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J2a table
http://poreklo.rs/srpski-dnk-projeka...r=J2a&lang=lat

Theres quite a few croat and even muslim there, does DNK test non-Serbs?

[Okirus]

Theres quite a few croat and even muslim there, does DNK test non-Serbs?

Yes, there are few Croats and muslims.
We lived side by side, we have similar genetic, so they are on our project.

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interesting

[Okirus]

J2b1 - M205 (Serbian DNA project, 19.10.2014.)
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[Insuperable]

This haplotype is labeled as ancient Greek marker.

[Okirus]

This haplotype is labeled as ancient Greek marker.

Source?

This haplogroup is probably the most mysterious.

Haplogroup J2b1 M205 originated probably from Syria (before 6.000 years ago).
We have three main branches - Arabian, Anatolian-Armenian and European.
"Balkan cluster" are just part of European J2b1 M205 branch.
European branch of haplogroup J2b1 M205 came to Europe probably with Bell Beakers. First in Iberia and later they spread across Western and Southern Europe.

Characteristic markers for our "Balkan cluster" is DYS392=12 and DYS437=14. We have more than 40 persons from Balkan (Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Romania) with these values, and just four persons from other parts of Europe with these values (Germany, Italy).
"Balkan cluster" have just three "close matches", before around 4.000 years ago (France, Greece).
According to Nordtvedt calculator most distant ancestor of "Balkan cluster" J2b1 - M205 (tested on 67 markers) lived before 1000-1150 years.

[Insuperable]

Source?

This haplogroup is probably the most mysterious.

Haplogroup J2b1 M205 originated probably from Syria (before 6.000 years ago).
We have three main branches - Arabian, Anatolian-Armenian and European.
"Balkan cluster" are just part of European J2b1 M205 branch.
European branch of haplogroup J2b1 M205 came to Europe probably with Bell Beakers. First in Iberia and later they spread across Western and Southern Europe.

Characteristic markers for our "Balkan cluster" is DYS392=12 and DYS437=14. We have more than 40 persons from Balkan (Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Romania) with these values, and just four persons from other parts of Europe with these values (Germany, Italy).
"Balkan cluster" have just three "close matches", before around 4.000 years ago (France, Greece).
According to Nordtvedt calculator most distant ancestor of "Balkan cluster" J2b1 - M205 (tested on 67 markers) lived before 1000-1150 years.

I could have sworn that months ago when you opened this thread on wiki it said it is implicated in the ancient Greek colonization. It says nothing now, but using google you can find site or two where it is mentioned as one of markers for the ancient Greek colonization.

That's EV-13.

Well, yes, EV-13 was a dominant marker and I didn't want to imply that M205 was a dominant marker. There are some J2b and J2a haplotypes associated with Greek colonization.

[Okirus]

J2b1 M205 (Balkan)
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[Black Wolf]

That's EV-13.

J2a is connected with bronze age collapse era migrations through anatolia and into greece (then further spread into italy through greek colonisation, see the BIOPROS article) but J2b is a ghost.

There's a theory that it was a balkanic one and existed from northern greece all the way to the borders of yugoslavia and that it was spread by Alexander in the near east but it's a pretty weak hypothesis imo.

Though what I found curious is that many people in greece/the balkans who carry J2b/J2a carry U5 mt-dna as well (me included).

Is your Y-DNA haplogroup J2a or J2b then?