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    Quote Originally Posted by Deymark View Post
    You do not understand the essence of the discussion.Main point:Greece wants aromanian identity to dissapear.
    We are talking about ANOTHER country and ANOTHER ethnicity whatsoever. We aren't even talking about Aromanians/Vlachs in Greece, does it even makes sense?

    You know, we have a Muslim minority in Thrace, which is consisted by Turks, Pomaks (Muslim Bulgarians) and Roma.
    Turkey is giving benefits to the Ethnic Turks, and many of the Pomaks and the Roma declare themselves as Turks to have access to the benefits.
    This proves a lot , like a) Bulgaria doesn't support the minority b) Greece doesn't support Pomaks and let's Turkey get away with it c) Pomaks/Roma can be bought d) Turkey is welcoming any more power given. What doesn't this mean, is that Turkey wants Pomaks to dissapear.
    Quote Originally Posted by peaceandfriendship View Post
    BTW - you having a picture of Pyrrhus as your avatar is the Albanian equivalent of Michael Jackson bleaching his skin white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ujku View Post
    No , As i said this is just another theory.
    This is the only theory.You have no ideea of history, so abstain from speaking out of your own ass.
    The vlachs from Greece and Albania came from above balkan mountains, probably around Timok-Banat region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ujku View Post
    How about the todays Greek epirus that for a 1000 years the majority were Albanians?
    1000 years ago, nobody had ever heard of Albanians:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians#History

    What is possibly the earliest written reference to the Albanians is that to be found in an old Bulgarian text compiled around the beginning of the 11th century.[75] It was discovered in a Serbian manuscript dated 1628 and was first published in 1934 by Radoslav Grujic. This fragment of a legend from the time of Tsar Samuel endeavours, in a catechismal 'question and answer' form, to explain the origins of peoples and languages. It divides the world into seventy-two languages and three religious categories: Orthodox, half-believers (i.e. non-Orthodox Christians) and non-believers. The Albanians find their place among the nations of half-believers. If the dating of Grujic is accepted, which is based primarily upon the contents of the text as a whole, this would be the earliest written document referring to the Albanians as a people or language group.[75]
    It can be seen that there are various languages on earth. Of them, there are five Orthodox languages: Bulgarian, Greek, Syrian, Iberian (Georgian) and Russian. Three of these have Orthodox alphabets: Greek, Bulgarian and Iberian. There are twelve languages of half-believers: Alamanians, Franks, Magyars (Hungarians), Indians, Jacobites, Armenians, Saxons, Lechs (Poles), Arbanasi (Albanians), Croatians, Hizi, Germans.
    The first undisputed mention of Albanians in the historical record is attested in Byzantine source for the first time in 1079–1080, in a work titled History by Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates, who referred to the Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium. It is disputed, however, whether the "Albanoi" of the events of 1043 refers to Albanians in an ethnic sense or whether "Albanoi" is a reference to Normans from Sicily under an archaic name (there was also a tribe in Italy by the name of "Albanoi").[61] However a later reference to Albanians from the same Attaleiates, regarding the participation of Albanians in a rebellion around 1078, is undisputed.[63] At this point, they are already fully Christianized, although Albanian mythology and folklore are part of the Paleo-Balkan pagan mythology,[76] in particular showing Greek influence.[77]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deymark View Post
    Albanians saw a thread about greeks and came here to slander greeks.Why you assume they even read the first pages, or the subject?
    Good question. IQ 83 must be a big problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ujku View Post
    They are not Romanians tho.
    I wasn't the one to claim that the destruction of the Aromanian identity is based upon "fear of territorial claims".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen B View Post
    We are talking about ANOTHER country and ANOTHER ethnicity whatsoever. We aren't even talking about Aromanians/Vlachs in Greece, does it even makes sense?

    You know, we have a Muslim minority in Thrace, which is consisted by Turks, Pomaks (Muslim Bulgarians) and Roma.
    Turkey is giving benefits to the Ethnic Turks, and many of the Pomaks and the Roma declare themselves as Turks to have access to the benefits.
    This proves a lot , like a) Bulgaria doesn't support the minority b) Greece doesn't support Pomaks and let's Turkey get away with it c) Pomaks/Roma can be bought d) Turkey is welcoming any more power given. What doesn't this mean, is that Turkey wants Pomaks to dissapear.
    I dont care what other countries do, I care what Greece does.The only important thing to know from your analogy with Pomaks-Turkey is that Turkey wants pomaks/roma to become turks, same as Greece wants aromanians to become greek.
    Greece wants aromanian identity to dissapear.It is as simple as that.Now please, nothing of what you say makes sense, Greece is guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deymark View Post
    Romania does not have any territorial claims, Romania actually makes no effort to help aromanians, except giving them scholarships here.

    I did not claim that the 300k supposed number of aromanians from Albania were Grekofied. Greece wants aromanian identity to dissapear.
    As a matter of fact there are Aromanian cultural associations in Greece, but the younger generation doesn't bother to learn the language because it is not useful for them, not because "Greece wants the Aromanian identity to dissapear". Some Greek dictators like Metaxas did indeed attempt to destroy every minority group, but today Greece is a democracy. Furthermore Greece is not responsible for Albanias' refusal to make a conduct a proper census where its' minorities are not threatened to declare themselves. Maybe they should just do the proper thing and stop recording ethnic or religious information in the census, as Greece does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deymark View Post
    I dont care what other countries do, I care what Greece does.The only important thing to know from your analogy with Pomaks-Turkey is that Turkey wants pomaks/roma to become turks, same as Greece wants aromanians to become Greek.
    Greece wants aromanian identity to dissapear.It is as simple as that.Now please, nothing of what you say makes sense, Greece is guilty.
    Greece doesn't need to destroy the Aromanian identity. The Aromanians are not very interested to maintain their identity, although there exist Aromanian cultural associations within Greece, and they do maintain their customs.

    "Vlach Marriage", Theba 2017:


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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    good job blaming Greece for suppression of your own minorities.according to your own census these 300k aromanians obviously declared themselves as albanian speakers and not as Greeks

    Mother tongue Population %
    Albanian 2,765,610 98.8
    Greek 15,196 0.5
    Macedonian 4,443 0.16
    Romani 4,025 0.14
    Aromanian 3,848 0.13
    In what exactly consists our "suppression of minorities", when it is Greece that is pushing economic pressure on them to change identity, as the OP itself states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deymark View Post
    I dont care what other countries do, I care what Greece does.The only important thing to know from your analogy with Pomaks-Turkey is that Turkey wants pomaks/roma to become turks, same as Greece wants aromanians to become greek.
    Greece wants aromanian identity to dissapear.It is as simple as that.Now please, nothing of what you say makes sense, Greece is guilty.
    Ιf that's what YOU understand then it's not my problem that you can't grasp this.
    Quote Originally Posted by peaceandfriendship View Post
    BTW - you having a picture of Pyrrhus as your avatar is the Albanian equivalent of Michael Jackson bleaching his skin white.

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