Is haplogroup E Eurasian in origin?

[Siginulfo]

Haplogroup E is Eurasian for certain. The paragroup E* has been found in Lebanon, Syria, Arabia, Bulgaria and Northern Albania, apart from Ethiopia and South Africa, the super-rare E1b2 has only been found in the Levant, Europe and Canary Islands, the paragroup E1b1* has only been found in two Russians, the paragroup E1b1b* has only been found in Khorasan, north-eastern Iran, the ancient sub-clade E-M281 is found in a few Ethiopians, Saudi Arabians and Yemeni, but the Ethiopian and Saudi Arabian haplotypes are all identical, instead the Yemeni haplotypes are diverse (suggesting a Yemeni origin for E-M281). Plus, D is found only in Asia. Plus, DE* has been found in a Syrian and two Tibetans and possibly in two South Indian Koraga tribals, apart from some West Africans whose haplotypes were very similar (suggesting a recent increase of the frequency of this haplogroup in West Africa). Anthropological evidence such as the Hofmeyr skull in South Africa supports the idea of E as Eurasian back-migrator to Africa.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Probably YAP+ was accompanied with the originators of M1 and N1 mtDNA in a back migration to Africa.

But any human haplogroup is derived from african Y-MRCA aka A(xBT).


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[Kale]

Probably YAP+ was accompanied with the originators of M1 and N1 mtDNA in a back migration to Africa.

But any human haplogroup is derived from african Y-MRCA aka A(xBT).

Don't be so sure...The most divergent modern human mtdna lineage was found in paleolithic Australia.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Don't be so sure...The most divergent modern human mtdna lineage was found in paleolithic Australia.

Yes, I'm talking specifically about Ydna, I forgot to put it in my explanation.

But is such mtDNA really human? Some denisovan possibility?

[Kale]

Yes, I'm talking specifically about Ydna, I forgot to put it in my explanation.

But is such mtDNA really human? Some denisovan possibility?

Nope. It diverged well after Denisova, well After neanderthal, but a decent chunk before L0. But I'm saying, they're only uniparental markers...hell y chromosome is much more susceptible to replacement than mtdna is.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Nope. It diverged well after Denisova, well After neanderthal, but a decent chunk before L0. But I'm saying, they're only uniparental markers...hell y chromosome is much more susceptible to replacement than mtdna is.

I thought It didn't survive till our time because was just infertile hybrid.

I'm readind such study:
http://www.pnas.org/content/98/2/537.full.pdf

There are vestige of other "hominids" in such region like Flores Man, maybe they are the source of so divergent mtDNA.

I even did a thread about not human Y-DNA among us: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...Y-DNA-among-us

[Longbowman]

It's probably from the Middle East. Yes, a higher proportion of Africans have it, but Petros doesn't understand genetic archaeology and should leave it to smarter people.

Essentially the deciding factor of where a haplogroup originated is usually not sheer numbers, because invasions will do that, but diversity within said haplogroup in addition to presence of the original haplogroup, or its oldest subclades, which in E's case is in the Middle East, and R's is in Central Asia.

Yes, R is more common in the West, but it's also incredibly un-diverse, and the subclades there are nearly exclusively younger ones.

Hence, R is central Asian.

[Dombra]

It is Eurasian indeed. The oldest branches can be found in Asia and it very unlikely they moved from Africa

[Silikone]

If E came from the Middle East, it could almost explain the Eurasian looks of East African peoples, but it doesn't hold up with the fact that even West Africans are E, albeit another clade.
Were the original carriers of E negroid?

[Longbowman]

If E came from the Middle East, it could almost explain the Eurasian looks of East African peoples, but it doesn't hold up with the fact that even West Africans are E, albeit another clade.
Were the original carriers of E negroid?

This has been explained.

Some macrofamilies travel far. R is a good example, stretching from Iceland to Cameroon to India to Central Asia to Native Americans.

One looks at clade diversity and age of subgroups to ascertain point of origin.

E's POI was either in the Middle East or, more unlikely, the Horn of Africa (east). DE, its motherclade, would have been in the ME though.