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    The arrogant country called Great Britain managed to wreck the development of many countries but nothing worse than wrecking the development of European countries out of an attempt to retain a so-called power balance. Thanks to the frail Britons' concern of retaining power balance, they helped the Turks stay in Europe and Anatolia, plague European countries such as Bulgaria (with a Turkish minority of 12% or 700,000) and Germany (with a Turkish minority of 2 million). If Great Britain had not interfered by arrogantly made herself involved in affairs that did not concern her other than retain her empire status (which it lost post-WW2 thanks to her overreaching policies, take that, Britons).

    When Russia decided to liberate the Balkans after the Batak massacre where thousands of Bulgarians dead. Russians managed to really kick the Ottomans' rears to the point of destroying its hegemony over the Balkans and Eastern Thrace (Konstantinopol and Odrin)... until the British intervened because they were afraid of powerful Russian allied states being established in the Balkans and of a large Slavic state after Russia (which would've been the result if the British didn't interfere and send a fleet of warships to the Sea of Marmara which stopped the Russians from taking Konstantinopol). So to this day, since the British prevented the formation of a Bulgaria that stretched from Ohrid, FYROM to Constanta which is in today's Romania and to Konstantinopol. If that had been realized, Bulgaria would not be a poor country today but a powerful country in economic and military terms next to France, the Netherlands and Belgium combined, etc. After the first Balkan War, Bulgaria fought three major wars and lost all of them. The first, the Second Balkan War had to do with all bordering countries ganging up on Bulgaria (thanks to Bulgaria's status of being the most powerful Balkan country militarily). The First World War, the Britons just had to interfere again and get involved with Balkan affairs and sent reinforcements to Greece and Serbia who were on the losing side against Bulgaria. The Second World War, the Britons and Americans bombed Sofia a couple days after Bulgaria joined the war on Germany's side (and attained greater territorial control thereafter which we lost two of three gains after the war). So for the howling that Bulgaria has no one to blame but herself, you should reexamine that statement because a lot of times, great powers like Britain have interfered in the development of a stronger Bulgaria.

    And Greece? Greece in 1920s' during the Turkish War of Independence it was approaching Ankara with multiple military successes. Greece's plan depended on the supply lines the British helped flow. When Britain became terrified at Greece's military victories, it cut the supply lines that supplied Greek soldiers in Anatolia and helped the war to turn in Turkey's favor. Greece lost the war as a result. And the result of that war? The Turks continue to be among us, immigrate to Germany in large numbers and continue to be a threat to Greece and Bulgaria today. Interestingly enough, if the Britons hadn't backstabbed Greece, Greece would've recreated the Byzantine Empire and there would be a powerful Hellenic state today that isn't deep in debt (which now you can see the why behind the Britons backstabbing the Greeks as a way to retain her empire status).

    I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this post considering how most of the posters here are Anglos but hey, I'm not afraid of sharing my opinion on this matter.

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    All this is true, but not really relevant to the problems of modern times. Greece is in the mess it's in because it has an extreme version of system that the whole 'west' has followed since mid 20th century: low birth rate, extended life spans, low retirement age at which people qualify for government pensions, increasingly high public sector (government) spending leading to increasingly high budget deficits and growing national debt, especially in regards to the public sector employees and their unions blocking any attempted reforms. If Greece had won all those wars and was geographically larger than today, they'd still be in the exact same mess.

    In regards to Bulgaria, the Soviet system is responsible to a large extent. British interference (and the ensuing American interference) is indeed once again responsible for the victory of the USSR over Bulgaria and its allies in that war, but even back then Bulgaria didn't have much industry and there's no indication it would be much different today than the Mediterranean countries who ended WWII outside the Soviet system (Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojn View Post
    I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this post considering how most of the posters here are Anglos but hey, I'm not afraid of sharing my opinion on this matter.
    Look what Britain has done to the British.

    If 'they' did that to us, then what would they do to you?

    What about Henry Kissinger and his meddling?

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    Yawn - who gives a shit about Bulgaria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    Yawn - who gives a shit about Bulgaria?
    Don't you have some thirteen-year-old girls to watch bend over or something?

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    Posted by Vojn

    If that had been realized, Bulgaria would not be a poor country today but a powerful country in economic and military terms next to France, the Netherlands and Belgium combined, etc.
    Really? Who says? Sounds like you're bitter and have just plucked this out of your arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    Yawn - who gives a shit about Bulgaria?
    People who care about the integrity of their own nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis in Arduis View Post
    People who care about the integrity of their own nations.
    Hmmm... I really don't see the logic in that statement. For example - and I'm not talking about Bulgaria here, just in general - it might often be the case that it's necessary to undermine another nation in order to protect one's own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojn View Post
    If that had been realized, Bulgaria would not be a poor country today but a powerful country in economic and military terms next to France, the Netherlands and Belgium combined, etc.
    Are you black? Indeed, are Bulgarians who think like you black also?

    What would you like? Reparations? An active system by which we Britons of today have to paw at your feet for the failures of your ancestors?

    If you and your ancestors couldn't fight, don't enter the ring.

    I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this post considering how most of the posters here are Anglos but hey, I'm not afraid of sharing my opinion on this matter.
    ...and Scots, and Welsh, and Irish, and every other European mercenary and their dog.

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