EEF-WHG-ANE test for Europeans Accuracy For West Eurasians

[Yehiel]

how do i take it?

[Graham]

The Greek/South Italian/Ashkenazi cluster is interesting

South Italians & Ashkenazi always cluster together on Eurogenes.

Anything South East of Greece should in the 90+% EEF.

[Insuperable]

Now another question I have is that aren't Basques supposed to have no ANE among them? On Polako's test here French Basques tend to score around 10% ANE on average. How can this be explained?

Basques should have ANE. Even Sardinians score ANE.

[Black Wolf]

Basques should have ANE. Even Sardinians score ANE.

I thought I read somewhere before that in the Lazaridis paper that these components come from that the Basques did not score any ANE. Maybe I am wrong of Lazaridis was wrong? Do you know?

[Insuperable]

I thought I read somewhere before that in the Lazaridis paper that these components come from that the Basques did not score any ANE. Maybe I am wrong of Lazaridis was wrong? Do you know?

It is explained nicely here.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2014/0...l-ancient.html
http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot...n-ancient.html

But I don't see why they shouldn't have any ANE ancestry since Basques are an even Mesolithic-Neolithic mix. But don't hold on my words since there is many things I don't know about and for the rest I am unsure.

[Black Wolf]

It is explained nicely here.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2014/0...l-ancient.html
http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot...n-ancient.html

But I don't see why they shouldn't have any ANE ancestry since Basques are an even Mesolithic-Neolithic mix. But don't hold on my words since there is many things I don't know about and for the rest I am unsure.

''Indeed, even though a couple of tables in the study report considerable ANE ancestry among Basques and Pais Vasco Spaniards, the authors admit that this need not be the case. For instance:

We next attempted to fit individual West Eurasian populations as a mixture of Loschbour and Stuttgart, as representatives of Early European farmers and West European Hunter Gatherers.

Fig. 1B suggests that this is not possible, as most Europeans form a cline that cannot be reconciled with such a mixture [Davidski's note: I think they actually mean Fig. 2B]. Nonetheless, for Sardinians (Extended Data Table 1), the most negative f3-statistic is of the form f3(Test; Loschbour, Stuttgart), which suggests that at least some Europeans may be consistent with having been formed by such a mixture. We thus fit each European population into the topology of Fig. S12.6. Only Basques, Pais_Vasco, and Sardinians, can be fit successfully with this model. Fig. S12.8 shows a successful fit.

Most European populations cannot be fit as this type of 2-way mixture and, intuitively, this is due to their tendency (Fig. 1B) towards Ancient North Eurasians that is not modeled by such a mixture.''




So some ''tables'' picked up ANE ancestry in the Basques but some did not? They can be fit as a 2 way mix between EEF and WHG but no ANE. So the real question is do the Basques,other Iberians and Sardinians have any real ANE ancestry or not?

[Insuperable]

''Indeed, even though a couple of tables in the study report considerable ANE ancestry among Basques and Pais Vasco Spaniards, the authors admit that this need not be the case. For instance:

We next attempted to fit individual West Eurasian populations as a mixture of Loschbour and Stuttgart, as representatives of Early European farmers and West European Hunter Gatherers.

Fig. 1B suggests that this is not possible, as most Europeans form a cline that cannot be reconciled with such a mixture [Davidski's note: I think they actually mean Fig. 2B]. Nonetheless, for Sardinians (Extended Data Table 1), the most negative f3-statistic is of the form f3(Test; Loschbour, Stuttgart), which suggests that at least some Europeans may be consistent with having been formed by such a mixture. We thus fit each European population into the topology of Fig. S12.6. Only Basques, Pais_Vasco, and Sardinians, can be fit successfully with this model. Fig. S12.8 shows a successful fit.

Most European populations cannot be fit as this type of 2-way mixture and, intuitively, this is due to their tendency (Fig. 1B) towards Ancient North Eurasians that is not modeled by such a mixture.''




So some ''tables'' picked up ANE ancestry in the Basques but some did not? They can be fit as a 2 way mix between EEF and WHG but no ANE. So the real question is do the Basques,other Iberians and Sardinians have any real ANE ancestry or not?

I may be wrong, but some Mesolithic samples were a bit closer to Mal'ta than usual so maybe they could have non-existent ANE. I am not sure though since I fell out of this and forgot some things.

[Black Wolf]

Another thing relating to this I wonder about is if the WHG like portion of the EEF component is related to Y-DNA haplogroup J or not? We know that the EEF component is supposed to have around 10% or so WHG like ancestry in it and we know that Y-DNA haplogroup I was the dominant Y-DNA haplogroup among the WHG people. We also know that Y-DNA haplogroups I and J are closely related both being descended from IJ-M429. So I wonder if the WHG like portion in the EEF components comes from Y-DNA haplogroup J folk who mixed with the Y-DNA haplogroup G folk in the ancient Near East and contributed the WHG like ancestry to the EEF component? Or it could just be from native Y-DNA haplogroup I groups that were assimilated early on into the Y-DNA expanding EEF farmers into Europe.

[Geni]

My results
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Population

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Mediterranean Farmer 37.88%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 25.66%
Anatolian Farmer 24.29%
Middle Eastern Herder 10.39%

[Black Wolf]

My results
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Population

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Mediterranean Farmer 37.88%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 25.66%
Anatolian Farmer 24.29%
Middle Eastern Herder 10.39%

That is a different calculator.