How will Ukraine look like after the crisis?

[Sarmatian]

People like to draw maps, a bit optimistic from their part really. Outside Donetsk and Lugansk ukrianians don't seem to care about the fight against fascist Bandera government Russkies couldn't mobilise Kharkiv (boy, did KGB and GRU flunked that one) how are they going to get the entire south and south-east !?

It's hard to predict but my guess is that Donetsk and Lugansk will become a kind of Transnistria and the russians will use it against Ukraine every chance they get.

One fella I know claimed his uncle living in Kharkov went missing. The man was ex-Soviet military with combat experience, the kind of a guy who giving oath only once in their lives and follow it. Apparently same thing happened to a few of his combat buddies living there. They all just walked out to work one day and never came back. Families suspecting SBU tracking them down because they are dangerous to the new openly anti-Russian government. So it's more like SBU has missed an opportunity to clean up Lugansk and Donetsk from hardcore Russian loyalists.

[glass]

This is assault on Russia? Hmmm...Russia is the one who knocks...I mean...who assaults Joking aside...do you really believe that the evil West lurks on Russia and everybody wants to oppress you? Why? What for?

It is not Russia who started this, it was not pro-russian coup, it is Russia who face butthurt, sanctions etc
So?
Honestly speaking west does not oppress russians, they want make new polaks from us. Something that is not really appealing to russians. We russians prefer decide everything between themselves

Outside Donetsk and Lugansk ukrianians don't seem to care about the fight against fascist Bandera government Russkies couldn't mobilise Kharkiv (boy, did KGB and GRU flunked that one) how are they going to get the entire south and south-east !?

Because of work of Kiev propaganda, unlike Donetsk and Lugansk, people in Kharkov are not able to recieve russian point of view

[Sarmatian]

This is assault on Russia? Hmmm...Russia is the one who knocks...I mean...who assaults Joking aside...do you really believe that the evil West lurks on Russia and everybody wants to oppress you? Why? What for?

Isn't it obvious? The entire US economy of today is built on expliotation of external resources, their financial pyramid require more and more external natural and human resources to sustain itself. And Russia is the largest warehouse of natural resources ever created by Almighty. Anyone sitting on it is bound to have pretty secure future.

With that in mind all imperialistic ambitions of US are perfectly understandable, they can't be self-sufficient with the current level of life, they need to rob someone time after time to make it last. Meanwhile accusations of Russia in being expansionist seems to be quite unreasonable. In past yes but not today. Russia has a huge territory to manage and personally I don't see any reason for Russia to try and take over someone else as it can be perfectly self-sufficient and still have room for level of life to grow.

The other thing to consider is while sitting on such a naturally rich territory Russia is bound to be strong. So naturally it's a competitor to US dominance in the world.

It's basic geopolitics mate.

Unless this makes sense to you

[Zmey Gorynych]

One fella I know claimed his uncle living in Kharkov went missing. The man was ex-Soviet military with combat experience, the kind of a guy who giving oath only once in their lives and follow it. Apparently same thing happened to a few of his combat buddies living there. They all just walked out to work one day and never came back. Families suspecting SBU tracking them down because they are dangerous to the new openly anti-Russian government. So it's more like SBU has missed an opportunity to clean up Lugansk and Donetsk from hardcore Russian loyalists.

I guess it all depends from what angle you're looking at things Now seriously, I can see that being true. If moldovans were able to kidnapp/arrest the commander of the 14th army in the 90' then ukraininas can definitely do the same thing to retired army guys.

[Sarmatian]

I guess it all depends from what angle you're looking at things Now seriously, I can see that being true. If moldovans were able to kidnapp/arrest the commander of the 14th army in the 90' then ukraininas can definitely do the same thing to retired army guys.

The point is all the stories of Russian agents being infiltrating Ukraine for the last 15-20 years are laughable. I'm not ruling out the possibility of FSB and other Russian enforcement agencies helping rebels. But the key word is helping existing attitudes of local population which are already there due to cultural and historical reasons, not creating the movement as Ukrainian and US officials and media claiming it to be.

[Not a Cop]

People like to draw maps, a bit optimistic from their part really. Outside Donetsk and Lugansk ukrianians don't seem to care about the fight against fascist Bandera government Russkies couldn't mobilise Kharkiv (boy, did KGB and GRU flunked that one) how are they going to get the entire south and south-east !?

It's hard to predict but my guess is that Donetsk and Lugansk will become a kind of Transnistria and the russians will use it against Ukraine every chance they get.

На днях болтал с парнем с юго-востока, который свалил к бабушке в Крым, говорит что у этих повстанцев всё не так плохо, численность сейчас под 30 тысяч и вроде как Россия их неплохо снабжает, а вот у Хохлов проблемы - снабжение плохое, многие бегут или переходят к повстанцам, и несут значительные потери, после боев подъезжают фуры их продуктовых и собирают трупы. Конечно мне слабо верится в возможность контр-наступления, но он меня уверял в том что это вполне реально. Ну а так конечно пиздец полный.

[PowerControls]

It is not Russia who started this, it was not pro-russian coup, it is Russia who face butthurt, sanctions etc
So?
Honestly speaking west does not oppress russians, they want make new polaks from us. Something that is not really appealing to russians. We russians prefer decide everything between themselves

Because of work of Kiev propaganda, unlike Donetsk and Lugansk, people in Kharkov are not able to recieve russian point of view

Isn't it obvious? The entire US economy of today is built on expliotation of external resources, their financial pyramid require more and more external natural and human resources to sustain itself. And Russia is the largest warehouse of natural resources ever created by Almighty. Anyone sitting on it is bound to have pretty secure future.

With that in mind all imperialistic ambitions of US are perfectly understandable, they can't be self-sufficient with the current level of life, they need to rob someone time after time to make it last. Meanwhile accusations of Russia in being expansionist seems to be quite unreasonable. In past yes but not today. Russia has a huge territory to manage and personally I don't see any reason for Russia to try and take over someone else as it can be perfectly self-sufficient and still have room for level of life to grow.

The other thing to consider is while sitting on such a naturally rich territory Russia is bound to be strong. So naturally it's a competitor to US dominance in the world.

It's basic geopolitics mate.

Unless this makes sense to you

It's interesting how we look at the same things and we see them completely different...Kiev propaganda...Russia is the only country on this planet with honest and truth speaking media. Every single word from Russian media is truest truth!

BTW...what is "new polack"?

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BTW...what is "new polack"?

Like your foreign minister said, poles think they are cool because they suck american cock. We russians think we are cool because we do not

[PowerControls]

Like your foreign minister said, poles think they are cool because they suck american cock. We russians think we are cool because we do not

No, he didn't say that. Where have you heard this? On Russian TV?

[glass]

No, he didn't say that. Where have you heard this? On Russian TV?

i do not remember how exactly he said, meaning was that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/wo...ties.html?_r=3
"He also describes the relationship in more vulgar terms" Those vulgar terms were what i wrote in previous post, because that article was easily found on wpost website