Are Greek Mediterraneans Orientalid mixed 'East Meds'?

[Instinct]

"The main features of the "Eastern/Anatolian" are: thicker lips, darker in general coloration, less curved shape of the nose, shorter stature, greater opisthometopia(sloping forehead). In this variety the Turkophones Greeks of Erzurum belong and obviously in a small percentage the southern and the western groups of Asia Minor."

Haven't seen a Greek origin of Eastern Anatolian. Do Greeks used to live in Eastern Anatolia?

[Bloodnigger]

"The main features of the "Eastern/Anatolian" are: thicker lips, darker in general coloration, less curved shape of the nose, shorter stature, greater opisthometopia(sloping forehead). In this variety the Turkophones Greeks of Erzurum belong and obviously in a small percentage the southern and the western groups of Asia Minor."

Haven't seen a Greek origin of Eastern Anatolian. Do Greeks used to live in Eastern Anatolia?

Significant greek presence always stopped at Cappadocia and Syria. Kurdistan's terrain was too rough to support any settling effort and it was guerilla hell in case the Kurds decided to do anything about it.

But what Sikeliot refers to is the asia minor coast and land a bit more further in than Bursa. It was not only colonized but received several extensive migration waves through a period of more than 1500 years from greece.

[Instinct]

Significant greek presence always stopped at Cappadocia and Syria. Kurdistan's terrain was too rough to support any settling effort and it was guerilla hell in case the Kurds decided to do anything about it.

But what Sikeliot refers to is the asia minor coast and land a bit more further in than Bursa. It was not only colonized but received several extensive migration waves through a period of more than 1500 years from greece.

Okay but I meant Erzurum, and the cities in the neighborhood of Erzurum.

There are Byzantine names of the cities in the Eastern Anatolia. Such as Χάρπετε.

[Bloodnigger]

Okay but I meant Erzurum, and the cities in the neighborhood of Erzurum.

There are Byzantine names of the cities in the Eastern Anatolia. Such as Χάρπετε.

Probably Armenian names. Erzurum especially was under their jurisdiction.

[Instinct]

Probably Armenian names. Erzurum especially was under their jurisdiction.

Mostly Armenian,

but the city mostly Kurdish called "Diyarbakır" in Southeast of Turkey "Amed" in Kurdish and Amida was the name of Diyarbakır during Byzantine Period. And the city called Malatya (Malete in Byzantine), but the city called Kharpert is Armenian yes.

[Dianatomia]

The guy is a Nordicst dude. Anyway, i always thought that east-Med is someone who has a levantine look or something. I mean, when me and my dad went to cyprus the people there mistook us as them. Not saying that they aren't greek or something, but like the pontic people of the black sea region of anatolia, they are mostly hellenized natives with some greek admixture.

I won't make any judgements on Pontian Greeks, but Cypriots are mostly Achaean Greeks (pre-Dorian) with some levantine admixture. They are quite similar to mainland Greeks, but they are less northern. I think they have considerable Greek ancestry. In fact, they may have more ancestry from mainland Greece than Cretans do. Cretans/Minoans seemed to be well established on the island before the mainland Greeks came and settled there as well.

This all suggests that there was some degree of genetic variety in Ancient Greece to begin with.

[Bloodnigger]

I won't make any judgements on Pontian Greeks, but Cypriots are mostly Achaean Greeks (pre-Dorian) with some levantine admixture. They are quite similar to mainland Greeks, but they are less northern. I think they have considerable Greek ancestry. In fact, they may have more ancestry from mainland Greece than Cretans do. Cretans/Minoans seemed to be well established on the island before the mainland Greeks came and settled there as well.

This all suggests that there was some degree of genetic variety in Ancient Greece to begin with.

This has been proven over and over again since Buxton took a ruler to ancient greek remnants back in the 20th century.

[Sikeliot]

I won't make any judgements on Pontian Greeks, but Cypriots are mostly Achaean Greeks (pre-Dorian) with some levantine admixture. They are quite similar to mainland Greeks, but they are less northern. I think they have considerable Greek ancestry. In fact, they may have more ancestry from mainland Greece than Cretans do.

This is just not true. Every reputable genetic study today would demonstrate that Cypriots are basically a Levantine population, as they have 0% Northern European admixture (even Cretans have like 10-15%), and they do not cluster near any mainland Greek population.

[Dianatomia]

This is just not true. Every reputable genetic study today would demonstrate that Cypriots are basically a Levantine population, as they have 0% Northern European admixture (even Cretans have like 10-15%), and they do not cluster near any mainland Greek population.

Well, the fact that Achaean Greeks mixed with Levantines comes out as very little North European based on the way we label people today has nothing to do with Cypriots being Greek or not. If anything it says something about the Achaean Greeks and perhaps the Dorians (or other peoples) who came to Greece later. One should wonder however where the Cypriots got their unique Balkan (Greek) haplogroup types from.

As for the clustering of populations. In order for two populations to cluster they need to have almost identical ancestry. I.e. a Greek who would be quarter African will not cluster with other Greeks. He will deviate further South. But that doesn't mean he is not largely Greek by origin. The same is true for Cypriots. The people of an island populated by Achaean Greeks which also had Phoenician settlers and never had a Dorian invasion could not be expected to cluster with the rest of the Greeks. What would be expected however is to have a considerable percentage of certain haplogroups which are found in other Greeks as well. And they do have those Balkanic haplogroups, while other people in their region have non of these at all.

[Hellenas]

No.

Greeks are typically Pontid, and not East Med. Purest "East Med" phenotype is in Calabria and Cyprus.

Greek Mediterraneans are neither "Pontids" nor "East Meds" but Aegean and Mainland-Greek Meds and both are south-East European natives. Also Greece is not an East Mediterranean country but North-East Mediterranean country of Europe. East Med refers to proso-asiatic/near eastern Levantines while Pontid is a term of taxonomy that inserted by the Russian Anthroplogist Bunak V.V. to describe Mediterraneans that can be found in Russia and other Slavic countries.

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