The differences between Socialism and National Socialism

[Austin]

Yes I know, in school in the U.S. when Hitler is mentioned all that is basically said is that he was an anti-capitalist national socialist who tried to kill all the wonderful poor Jews. They never tell or explain what a national socialist is, and since kids in America know that socialism=evil communism or so they have been taught, they look at the word national socialist and with no further explanation being given they assume it is something akin to some form of super communist or something, completely misunderstanding its true nature and ideology.

[The Ripper]

Yes I know, in school in the U.S. when Hitler is mentioned all that is basically said is that he was an anti-capitalist national socialist who tried to kill all the wonderful poor Jews. They never tell or explain what a national socialist is, and since kids in America know that socialism=evil communism or so they have been taught, they look at the word national socialist and with no further explanation being given they assume it is something akin to some form of super communist or something, completely misunderstanding its true nature and ideology.

I'm surprised they call him an "anti-capitalist". But I suppose that simply shows that a Marxist perspective never influenced American politics as strongly as it did in Europe. From what I understand, many leftists see Nazism and Fascism as "allies of capitalism". Here "anti-capitalist" has some positive connotations, unlike the US, I suppose?

[Austin]

I'm surprised they call him an "anti-capitalist". But I suppose that simply shows that a Marxist perspective never influenced American politics as strongly as it did in Europe. From what I understand, many leftists see Nazism and Fascism as "allies of capitalism". Here "anti-capitalist" has some positive connotations, unlike the US, I suppose?

Oh ya here in the U.S. especially in the South, but really all over, anti-capitalist is like the equivalent of saying you hate America to most people, even people who claim to be more left leaning will never say they are anti-capitalist, only the most hardcore will say that here.

See that's the interesting part most in the US don't have a good understanding of what Nazism and Fascism really ever were, most people would tell you that they are a form of communism but a harsher one, that's what they have largely been taught and or understood to be the case.

Yes America never had any marxist perspective heh to be affiliated with that name in any sense here is to be an evil leftist of the worst order

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Communism: I have 2 bikes and must give 1 to my neighbor
Socialism:I have 1 bike with a flat tire and ask my neighbor to fix free of charge.
National Socialism:I have a European bike and must trade it in for an American
Capitalism:I steal my neighbors bike
European Socialism: I ride a ladies bike and my widgy makes it a man's bike to give a woman a lift.
Fascism:I ride my bike over my neighbor.
Liberalism:I ride my bike right past a white and offer a lift to black.
Feminism:My female bike rides malestream
Apriciteism:I preserve my bike for my children

[Bari]

National-Socialism was originally a bit to the left on the political scale in the beginning, especially people like Ernst Röhm and people in the SA represented the left-wing of the National-Socialists that put as much emphasis on Socialism as Nationalism. They wanted to higher taxes for the rich, more control by the state of production and welfare goods. Basically a socialist system with a nationalist twist to it. Hitler however(who was a Socialist in his younger years) started softening up the policy in order to gain support from the wealthy and after the removal of the left-wings in the party it was only Socialist by name, ending up like right-wing militant fascists. I believe they kept Socialism in the name in order to attract the voters. Combining two popular ideologies at the time.

[Partizan]

The problem is not with "National" part of National Socialism(!). Socialism can be Nationalist, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_nationalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_communism

The problem is, National Socialism(!) is not even economically Socialist. It had a corporatist economic model, see how Hitler fattened Krupp and Siemens. It is State Capitalism/Corporatism, not Socialism.

[Caismeachd]

Hitlers national socialism was just catch all blanket phrase trying to take the most progressive and revolutionary political ideologies of those days to appeal to the masses. In reality it was just a totalitarian regime. Not true socialism or nationalism.

[RussiaPrussia]

you cant be socialist without being nationalistic and protection this kind of system. Look at communism, they just shut themselfs down comecon countries didnt even wanted to trade with other comecon countries. Communist countries also had no immigration thats why eastern europe has so less immigrants in comparison to the west. Communism wasnt that much different to nazism tough nazism was still a capitalist system.

[Anglojew]

The main difference is in land ownership and the private sector.