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    Quote Originally Posted by Dál Riata View Post
    What I want to know is:

    1 Is it related to Basque? I've read conflicting opinions on this question with some experts saying yes, they were part of the same language family, and some saying no, they just had some similarities due to being neighbours like modern Basque and Spanish do.
    Seems is vaguely related.

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    2 Where did Iberian originate from? Cardial neolithic?
    Probably, there is a archeological continuum from Cardial neolithic to Iberian culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    Seems is vaguely related.

    Probably, there is a archeological continuum from Cardial neolithic to Iberian culture.

    Thanks! I wonder if that means that Basque originated as a neolithic language SW France... And if the Sardinians originally spoke something similar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkk77 View Post
    The way he pronounces ci/ce, gi/ge, r...
    The singer is obviously a Spaniard who doesn't know Iberian, because he's reading CE/CI and GE/GI as in Spanish. There were no Castilian "zeta" or "jota" sounds in Iberian.

    There were two types of r in Iberian, and there's a high possibility that the distinction between them was the same as that of today in Spanish (or Basque) between r and rr, so no problem here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dál Riata View Post
    What I want to know is:

    1 Is it related to Basque? I've read conflicting opinions on this question with some experts saying yes, they were part of the same language family, and some saying no, they just had some similarities due to being neighbours like modern Basque and Spanish do.
    Some even go as far as to think that Basque is simply modern Aquitano-Iberian pushed to their current isolated place by the Romans. Everything could be. What I'm quite convinced about is that they were indeed related. The similarities in the numbers, verbal forms, etc, can't just be a result of Sprachbund. Otherwise many proposed reconstructions of other families should also be considered a result of Sprachbund.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dál Riata View Post
    2 Where did Iberian originate from? Cardial neolithic?
    That's a very tempting possibility: to believe that Iberians, maybe alongside with Paleo-Sardinians, ancient Ligurians, maybe even Etruscans, etc, were speakers of a pre-Indo-European language in the south of Europe, coming from the Levant with the Cardial culture. The problem is, most experts don't think that the Cardial culture can be associated to one single specific ethnicity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uhtred View Post
    I did.
    It's impossible to know the subtle phonetics of a thousand years old dead language. Since the ones doing this research and subsequent recording were Spaniards, it's obvious they're going to read it with a "Spanish sing-song". I certainly don't think this language was spoken with a modern peninsular accent. There were several language successions that might have erased everything phonetically identifiable in this language. Modern Spanish phonetics are probably mostly derived from Latin + little influence from Modern Basque and Celtiberians + random self-inflicted standardizations (for example the phonology before 1400 in Spanish, was significantly different from today..)

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    Certainly cooler than today's Iberian romance

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