Swedes are non-Nordic

[Eusocial]

Thats Stears? Not bad.

[FeederOfRavens]

Lol

[Guapo]

[Ctwentysevenj]

Thats Stears? Not bad.

Nice looking fellow

[Harkonnen]

I guess you could think that way, it just depends on how you define it. Borrebies have at least 120mm wide jaws and extremely massive craniums, which only a tiny fraction of Swedes actually qualify for, but if you're defining anyone who "looks like a Borreby" as a Borreby regardless of their dimensions then I can see why you would think that many Swedes are Borrebies. I define these reduced types as East Baltic, just as Coon would have done. Faelid is not a real type, as I've explained many times.

Here are morphs made from plates from Coon’s Races of Europe. I would still suggest that Benny from Abba mostly resembles Nordic of Danubian predominance.



In the chapter where Coon discusses the racial type of Eastern Finns, and I should add here that all throughout this chapter he uses rather poor and deceptive terminology as he seems to equate the term Finns with the broader Finnic, Permian or even Finno-Ugric category. Alas, there are no East Finns studied in this chapter and his Karelians are from Volga and another group south from Ingrians which leaves me baffled for the actual identity of these peoples as Land of the Karelians are the shores of Laatokka.


so to continue, in the chapter Coon compares these Karelians (or rather Volga Finnics) to Iron Age Nordics

On the whole, the Carelian sample shows nothing in common metrically with the large-headed mesocephalic and brachycephalic populations of western Norway and Denmark; it may be compared, however, most profitably with the Iron Age Nordic type of eastern Scandinavia; in comparison with the latter, the Carelians are short in stature, short in absolute head length, short in face height and nose height, and slightly broad in face breadth. The metrical position of the Carelians among living European races is comparable to that of the Danubian type in the skeletal series. Both in pigmentation and in basic metrical character it shows a certain fundamental relationship to the Iron Age Nordic form.

And this is what he has to say as to their relation to the East Baltic type

In view of the general position of the central Finnic type, as exemplified by these Carelians, it has seemed most in accordance with the facts to leave the designation East Baltic for the larger-bodied, larger-headed, and quite different population of the eastern Baltic states, whether Finnic or Baltic-speaking, and not to attach it to this clearly differentiated racial group which has its geographical center elsewhere. In view of the close similarity between this central Finnic type and the Danubian racial entity suggested by the early skeletal material, and in view of the fact that the earliest identifiable Finnic skeletal remains were mostly of this type, it has seemed appropriate, as stated in the concluding section of Chapter VIII, to name this racial type Neo-Danubian.

In view of this impending absorption, it is fortunate that the Livs have been subjected to careful anthropometric study.89 Two series of 100 adult males each, measured in 1878 and 1922, both yield a mean stature of 174 cm.; hence the Livs are very tall, and have derived none of their height through the modern increase mechanism which has elevated other peoples in northwestern Europe. They are large boned, long limbed, and at the same time heavy and powerfully built; their shoulders are broad, but their relative sitting height of 51.3 shows an excess of leg rather than body length. Their heads and faces are both large, comparable in size to those of western Norwegians. Length and breadth diameters of the head, with means of 193.3 mm. and 155.1 mm., produce a cephalic index with a mean of 80.2, which, although the range runs from 70 to 90, is not especially variable. It will be observed that the head form of the eastern (Finno-Ugrians) has been preserved, while the head size has been greatly increased.

The Esthonians, who number over a million in their own country and some 150,000 in Russia, resemble the Livs in most respects.92 Tall stature of 172 cm. or over is typical of the Esths who live on the island of Ösel and along the northern and western coast; inland, means of 170 cm. are usual, while in the southeastern parishes this is reduced to 168 cm. There is some evidence that the tall stature of the Esths is in part due to a modern increase, since in 1878 regional recruit means draughted into the Russian army varied from 166 to 169 cm. In bodily proportions the Esths are seen to be frequently heavily built, with long bodies and the extremely high relative span of 107 or 108. It was this excessive development of the arms and shoulders, along with a wide mandible, that the Norwegians found most characteristic of the Finns who had affected the population of their southeastern provinces.

From these definitions it is quite clear to me that Benny from Abba does not quite fit the physical demands of the East Baltic type as defined by Coon.

[Eusocial]

Valtaves do you have pics of Karelians you'd consider typical of region?

[Peikko]

Valtaves do you have pics of Karelians you'd consider typical of region?

I went to the web-page of a hockey team from Karelia and this was the only local player there, who's picture I could find:

[Peikko]

Here's a football team from Karelia. I fail to see any big difference to West Finns.

[aherne]

Your observations are correct, if by "Nordic" you mean Aryan. In the correct meaning of the word "Nordic", accounting for all CM types of Northern Europe (Scandinavian, Faelid, Uralid), then Sweden is indeed a very Nordic country, as Nordic as Finland...

[Übermensch]

Better estimation in my opinion of swedish phenotypes:

Bruenn-dalofaelid (most common in dalarna): 10%
Borreby:5%
Lappid: 1,5%
Troender:50%
halstatt: 20%
baltid: 10%
atlantomed (variant called tydal): 2,5%
alpine (strandid): 1%

Most of Swedish are tall,leptosopropic and mesocephalic blonds of both corded,nordic and bruenn derivation or ''Troender'', pure phenotypes are a minority but still occour.