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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    I forgot to stress that out. Of course liberty is one of the few given rights all men and women should be born with, but living in a collective society, we cannot afford some forms of 'liberty'. As you mention liberty nowadays have become a parody; you are even free to kill unborn's for example, under the liberty premise. Matter of fact I would be fine with taking any liberty you want, but being man or woman enough to face the consequences of whatever you do. Something most libertarians are not willing to take.
    One of the greatest example of ignorance on the part of modern libertarians, certainly. Medieval Europe was essentially libertarian, though, and that should be stressed. The problem is much greater than liberalism, which in itself is a rather nice political position. Any good idea can be distorted into something grotesque, which is essentially the problem: the modern world is based on bad ideas and distorted good ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Abubu View Post
    The obvious problem here is not Christianity itself, it's your family. Were they protestants?
    My family are Protestant AND Catholic.
    Those friends were Methodist, Catholic and the worst girl i ever met was Ethiopian Christian and wouldn't even respect anyone who wasn't Christian and would constantly try to convert non-Christians at school and if they say they weren't interested, would fly into a rage about how they will go to Hell. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Abubu View Post
    Atheists are religious in the same way as. Save for God, almost everything they believe in has religious roots. Morality, f.e., is religious in essence. The belief in reason, too, is religious. If we were merely the apes of a cold God, as Karl Marx wrote in his poetic drama, Oulanem, we most certainly couldn't trust our reason. Thus atheism is in fact far less reasonable a position than is theism.
    Yes, well stated. The fact is that most atheists arrive at conclusions about things like morality directly from the religions they so despise, and then subsequently try and find a naturalistic argument for their position, when of course there exists none.

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    Atheism is a zionist/communist doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheViridiana View Post
    My family are Protestant AND Catholic.
    Those friends were Methodist, Catholic and the worst girl i ever met was Ethiopian Christian and wouldn't even respect anyone who wasn't Christian and would constantly try to convert non-Christians at school and if they say they weren't interested, would fly into a rage about how they will go to Hell. lol.
    Protestants are usually the crazy ones, Luther was a mad man after all. But I assume it is also part of the American experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donnay View Post
    Yes, well stated. The fact is that most atheists arrive at conclusions about things like morality directly from the religions they so despise, and then subsequently try and find a naturalistic argument for their position, when of course there exists none.
    I meant to write: "Atheists are religious in the same way as the mother of a child conceived through surrogacy is a mother." But yes, what you say is precisely correct. Atheists who still cling to morality and everything else with a religious basis are like people who want to have sex, but only with condoms; like people who only eat sugar free chocolate; who drink decaffeinated coffee; who drink non-alcoholic beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Abubu View Post
    One of the greatest example of ignorance on the part of modern libertarians, certainly. Medieval Europe was essentially libertarian, though, and that should be stressed. The problem is much greater than liberalism, which in itself is a rather nice political position. Any good idea can be distorted into something grotesque, which is essentially the problem: the modern world is based on bad ideas and distorted good ideas.
    Just note that in the libertarian movement there are differing views on issues like abortion. I'm firmly against it on classical liberal principles, but some have found a way to weasel around the central issue and craft a strange argument that abortion is in the name of liberty.

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    There is two types of atheist:

    1- Doesn't care about religion. They're agnostic too
    2- Does care about religion and know everything about it. Like a hater. It's like the "neo-nazis" now, there are some nazis who know everything about jewish, even more than us

    Generally the atheist #2 was estricted raised in some religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInParadise View Post

    Generally the atheist #2 was estricted raised in some religion.
    The irony...

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