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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    No, no no. Not Thracian, but an Eastern Illyrian dialect or an independent language between the Illyrian and the Thracian (or a Western Thracian dialect). The problem is the Central Balkan, the only place where the close contact betwen the proto-Balkanite Latins and the proto-Albanians was possible. But this was the contact zone between the Illyrian, Thracian and other languages.



    No, they were not. Their ancestors only. Or maybe yes, if their ancestors' language was an isolated language in the ancient times (definitely not Illyrian or Thracian!). Becasue the independent language is isolated from the other languages, a distance is needed for this. But the chance to this is not too big.

    The great problem with the Albanian is the formation period. There are not living relatives or well documented ancient relatives to the reconstruction of the process and the internal evolution of this language was huge in the last two thousands years.
    You know what is the problem with you and many other posters here? The first and only thing that you make here is arriving at the conclusion. But before the conclusions you have to post here some facts, evidences, opinion of authors, etc. We can discuss on this facts and later we can have a conclusion. For this reason i asked you to elaborate your theory. For example, what proves do you have that Albanians are from Central Balkans? Only your conclusions without evidence to prove your opinion, are nothing, sorry to say this. Do you understand?


    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    The contemporary Albanian territory was dominantly Slavonic after the invasion. Slavonic toponyms in the present Albania:
    This is a map of an slav author. What do you know about the slavic toponyms in Albania?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessWin View Post
    Where the fuck are these Albanians ?? Because here in Greece i see only midget idiots with big noses and ears
    LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    You know what is the problem with you and many other posters here? The first and only thing that you make here is arriving at the conclusion. But before the conclusions you have to post here some facts, evidences, opinion of authors, etc. We can discuss on this facts and later we can have a conclusion. For this reason i asked you to elaborate your theory. For example, what proves do you have that Albanians are from Central Balkans? Only your conclusions without evidence to prove your opinion, are nothing, sorry to say this. Do you understand?
    The strong Albanian-Romanian lingual connection is the evidence. Huge number of Albanian loanwords in the Romanian and Latin loandwords in the Albanian language. And:

    This is a map of an slav author. What do you know about the slavic toponyms in Albania?
    This means massive Slavonic population in the present territory of Albania. Basically the contemporary Central and Southern Albania was clearly Slavic land, the contemporary Albanian and Vlach population is Ottoman era migrant in here. The only part of the contemporary Albania with low number of Slavic toponyms is the mountainous Northern Albania. Presumably this region was the western part of the Albanian homeland, where the native Balkanite population survived and the Albanian ethnicity and language formed in the early medieval times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessWin View Post
    Where the fuck are these Albanians ?? Because here in Greece i see only midget idiots with big noses and ears



    Spot the Albanian .LOL
    The article only quotes what an unamed deluded person says about Albanians,probably a narcissist American Albanian. That's why it places the quote in bracelets. You can find similar quotes for every ethnicity under the sun. Poor complexed Albanians, it's not often they hear flattering quotes about them, for they have posted that quote like 1000 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    The strong Albanian-Romanian lingual connection is the evidence. Huge number of Albanian loanwords in the Romanian and Latin loandwords in the Albanian language. And:



    This means massive Slavonic population in the present territory of Albania. Basically the contemporary Central and Southern Albania was clearly Slavic land, the contemporary Albanian and Vlach population is Ottoman era migrant in here. The only part of the contemporary Albania with low number of Slavic toponyms is the mountainous Northern Albania. Presumably this region was the western part of the Albanian homeland, where the native Balkanite population survived and the Albanian ethnicity and language formed in the early medieval times.
    I can give an answer to all your points in your post, but first i please you to explain better this theory that Albanians arrived in Central and South Albania during the Ottoman era. I consider this very important.

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    I don't get this. Albanian the oldest European language yet it's third after Greek and Armenian? Isn't Greek European? Sort of almost Armenian too?

    More fitting title would've just been Albanian: a relatively old language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    The strong Albanian-Romanian lingual connection is the evidence. Huge number of Albanian loanwords in the Romanian and Latin loandwords in the Albanian language. And:



    This means massive Slavonic population in the present territory of Albania. Basically the contemporary Central and Southern Albania was clearly Slavic land, the contemporary Albanian and Vlach population is Ottoman era migrant in here. The only part of the contemporary Albania with low number of Slavic toponyms is the mountainous Northern Albania. Presumably this region was the western part of the Albanian homeland, where the native Balkanite population survived and the Albanian ethnicity and language formed in the early medieval times.
    Excuse me if I insist, but you did not answer to my question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    I can give an answer to all your points in your post, but first i please you to explain better this theory that Albanians arrived in Central and South Albania during the Ottoman era. I consider this very important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drawing-slim View Post
    According to a recent article published by New York Times Albania is the oldest European language but third world oldest just behind Armenian & Greek.
    Where is the article? It's understood that Basque is older. Even if speaking of only Indo-European languages there is obviously a record of Greek being spoken long before there was a record of Albanian. We have The Odyssey, Plato[s Republic, etc. (obviously an archaic Greek).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Where is the article? It's understood that Basque is older. Even if speaking of only Indo-European languages there is obviously a record of Greek being spoken long before there was a record of Albanian. We have The Odyssey, Plato[s Republic, etc. (obviously an archaic Greek).
    All those ancients you mentioned spoke in what is now called modern day Albanian language. Well, only about 85% albanian of course thats a long time and languages evolve.
    The link has been provided by another member in the first of second page. Its an old thead and i tend to move on

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