Sami are typical north europeans or more exotic and darker generally speaking?

[TheForeigner]

So I would like to hear the opinions of scandinavians about the sami people of the far north and their most typical phenotypes and how they look generally and how are they perceived in this way. I've read some data about pigmentation and height and it was from 1936, but it was published on Razib Khan's blog. Apparently they are substantially darker in eyes and hair color, besides often having eurasian influenced phenotypes and they supposedly have slightly darker skin tone too. The data seems to make the quite un-north european like, even though still white and european, but I've seen some nordics claim samis look just like scandos and finns, with only few exceptions. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...-are-the-sami/ This is the data: Eye color Hair color

Light Mixed Brown n Blonde Light Brown Dark Brown Black n Males
31.1% 53.7% 15.2% 164 2.4% 14.8% 68.6% 14.2% 169


19.9% 49.4% 30.7% 166 0.6% 16.4% 70.3% 12.7% 165 Females Oddly enough men are much lighter than women acording to this data. The link on his blog sends to a finnish anthroblog and apparently they also had much shorter on average. I've seen a documentary about samis and the forests of the north and they seemed noticeably darker than finns, in skin tone, hair and eye colors and similar in pigmentation with some south europeans,although there only a few individuals in the documentary I suppose. There is nothing wrong with that, but I noticed some nordics deny it and claim samis are just nordics and some haters of lapps have lied about them. Although to an extent that might be true. Some anthropologists classes them as mongoloid, but they are clealry europids with minor mongoloid admixture.

[Kale]

Well typical changes with time. 7,000 years ago they were probably typical North Europeans.

[Jusarius]

Saamis are definitely darker than other Scandos and Finns. They also look different in other ways. It would be odd if they didn't because they are also genetically very distinct even from the Finns. That's likely not due to some monogoloid admixture, however. They have retained a big portion of a lineage of mesolithic European hunter-gatherer genes.

[Jusarius]

Well typical changes with time. 7,000 years ago they were probably typical North Europeans.

That's true. Over time, most Northern Europeans have become neolithic semi-Middle Easterners while Saamis didn't.

[TheForeigner]

Saamis are definitely darker than other Scandos and Finns. They also look different in other ways. It would be odd if they didn't because they are also genetically very distinct even from the Finns. That's likely not due to some monogoloid admixture, however. They have retained a big portion of a lineage of mesolithic European hunter-gatherer genes.

In what other ways are they different physically? Coon wrote some stuff, but I think it's inaccurate and exagerated. Are they significantly shorter? What about bodily proportions? He even wrote about them being infantilized in body proportions.

[Jusarius]

In what other ways are they different physically? Coon wrote some stuff, but I think it's inaccurate and exagerated. Are they significantly shorter? What about bodily proportions? He even wrote about them being infantilized in body proportions.

I don't have any scientific data, only first-hand experience as I have spent a lot time in Northern Lapland. It's definitely true that they are shorter. It's difficult to pinpoint the exact features that distinguish them from the other Nordics but more prominent cheekbones and a peculiar eye shape are some traits.

This woman looks "typical" Saami. I don't mean most of them have this look but when I see a person with these features, I can be almost sure she/he is fully/part Saami.



A man with similar but masculinized look:



Other more common features among the Saami according to my own observations are higher and more arched eyebrows, a broad forehead and a narrow and rather weak chin.

[TheForeigner]

I don't have any scientific data, only first-hand experience as I have spent a lot time in Northern Lapland. It's definitely true that they are shorter. It's difficult to pinpoint the exact features that distinguish them from the other Nordics but more prominent cheekbones and a peculiar eye shape are some traits.

This woman looks "typical" Saami. I don't mean most of them have this look but when I see a person with these features, I can be almost sure she/he is fully/part Saami.



A man with similar but masculinized look:



Other more common features among the Saami according to my own observations are higher and more arched eyebrows, a broad forehead and a narrow and rather weak chin.

Are samis also less developed physically and more infantilized as mongoloids tend to be and as Coon and other anthropologists claimed?

[FeederOfRavens]

Are samis also less developed physically and more infantilized as mongoloids tend to be and as Coon and other anthropologists claimed?

I think they're the reason why Sweden and Norway as a whole have a lower average height compared to Denmark.

[Linebacker]

Well according to Wikipedia,the indigenous Sami are direct descendants from Cro-Magnon.

[FeederOfRavens]

Well according to Wikipedia,the indigenous Sami are direct descendants from Cro-Magnon.

I guess not every CM was the same