Are American converts to Islam, after the September 11 attacks, traitors?

[Anglojew]

The September 11 attacks (9/11) were a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks launched by the Islamic terrorist group al-Qaeda upon the United States in New York City and the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. The attacks killed almost 3,000 people and caused at least $10 billion in property and infrastructure damage.

The, then, US president -George W. Bush- famously stated afterwards, that:

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

The terrorists, who call themselves Mujahideen (people doing jihad), were all orthodox Sunni Muslims inspired by the religious scriptual teachings of Islam to commit "holy war" (jihad="struggle") against the American "infidel (non-Muslim)" so they would in fact see any convert to Islam as "joining their ranks."

Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status. In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the ten Practices of the Religion

In fact, the Islamic Prophet Muhammad, referred to Jihad as:

"better than standing in prayer for sixty years"

So US converts to Islam (Submission) have effectively joined the terrorists, and have religiously and ideologically approved of the compulsory Islamic duty of jihad, which was responsible for the attack on America. Isn't this no different to Americans becoming Communists, and backing the Soviet Union, during the Cold War period (or worse as the Soviets never actually attacked the USA)?

Are American converts to Islam, post-911, therefore traitors who have chosen to side with the terrorists (many converts have in fact perpetrated terrorist acts), over the United States?

[Anglojew]

As of 2012 there had been over 50 foiled Islamic attacks on the United States, many involving terrorists:

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...r-on-terrorism

Also, as of 2010 26 foiled Islamic terroist plots involved converts to Islam;

Between 9/11 and June 30, 2010, 42 Islamist, terrorism-related plots and incidents took place or were foiled in the United States, according to my calculations.[11] Violent converts were directly engaged in 26 of those 42 cases, almost 62 percent of the total. Converts operated in myriad ways—in cells, in pairs, as individuals, or as operatives of AQ or other terrorist groups. They performed or attempted to perform acts of direct violence, espionage, and conspiracy. Details of some of the cases are offered below.

* Some violent converts operated within groups or cells of between four and 11 members. Roughly half of these cells were a combination of "native" Muslims and outside converts, including the "Portland 7" group, which had three converts out of seven members, and the "Virginia Jihad Network," which had four converts out of 11 members. The "L.A. Prison" cell included three converts in a group of four and was also led by a convert, as was the "Raleigh Jihad" group, which included four converts out of eight members. Meanwhile, half of the examined cells consisted solely of converts, including the "Miami 6" group, the "JFK Fuel Tanks Plot" cell, and the "New York Synagogue Plot" cell.

One "gray area" case involved Michael Reynolds, a non-Muslim who offered his assistance to AQ but was motivated by something other than religion.

* Some violent converts worked as part of a pair with one native Muslim; an example would be James Elshafay and Carlos Almonte. Other converts, such as Derrick Shareef and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad—the "Arkansas Shooter"—acted as a "lone wolf." Still others, such as Michael Finton and Chris Paul, had formal ties but no clear operational links to any known terrorist structure. One "gray area" case involved Michael Reynolds, a non-Muslim who offered his assistance to AQ but was motivated by something other than religion. All of these cases involved low-profile, amateurish, terrorist intentions and activities that were localized within the U.S.

* In at least three cases, converts were chosen by AQ-affiliated leaders to plan or execute high-profile, mass-casualty attacks in the U.S. or against U.S. targets. These cases involved Richard Reid, Jose Padilla, and Diren Baroth and included plots to use an improvised explosive device against an airborne jetliner and to disperse radiological contaminants in an urban environment.

* Two episodes involved converts attempting to provide classified information to AQ recipients. Both converts were serving in the U.S. military at the time; Ryan Anderson was in the U.S. Army National Guard, and Paul Hall, also known as Hassan Abu Jihaad, was in the Navy.

* In another military-related case, Hassan Akbar, a U.S. Army sergeant, was convicted and sentenced to death for killing two and wounding 14 others in an armed attack against his unit members in Kuwait just after the U.S. invasion of Iraq began in 2003. In his trial, both defense and prosecution lawyers said that Akbar wanted to keep troops from killing his fellow Muslims.[12]

* Two American women converts, Coleen LaRose and Jamie Paulin-Ramirez, conspired within a wider group to kill a Swedish cartoonist for alleged blasphemy.

* Several U.S. converts, including Omar Hammami, Bryant Vinas, and Daniel Joseph Maldonaldo, were involved in direct fighting in conflict zones such as Afghanistan and Somalia, that included battles against other Americans. At least one convert, Adam Yahye Ghaddan, was engaged in a sophisticated strategic communication campaign conducted by AQ. A recently detained convert, Barry Bujol, Jr., allegedly provided materiel support to AQ.

* Not included in my count of terrorist incidents involving converts were incidents revealed in the second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011, including the cases of Antonio Martinez, accused of plotting a terrorist attack against a military recruitment station; Zachary Adam Chesser and Jesse Curtis Morton, who allegedly issued death threats against the creators of "South Park"; and Joseph Anthony Davis (Abu Khalid Abdul Latif) and Frederick Domingue Jr. (Walli Mujahidh), who are suspected of plotting an attack against the military recruitment facility in Seattle. In addition, Lance Corp. Yonathan Melaku from the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve was arrested in the vicinity of the Pentagon in June 2011 with explosives in his backpack; he most likely is also a convert to Islam.

https://globalecco.org/ctx-v1n1/viol...verts-to-islam

[Ars Moriendi]

I support the idea of the US welcoming all the Muslim refugees from war-torn areas.
Lebanon has done a lot already, timefor the US to welcome a few thousands of Sunni Muslim refugees from Syria.
They can hopefully convert more and more Americans. Insha'Allah.

[mikhail]

America deserves it, the American government are the ones who funded the terrorists just to fight the soviet heroes in Afghanistan. Selfish Americans.

[Anglojew]

America deserves it, the American government are the ones who funded the terrorists just to fight the soviet heroes in Afghanistan. Selfish Americans.

America did indeed support the Jihadists in Afghanistan:

On July 3, 1979, United States President Jimmy Carter signed the first directive for covert financial aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

Jimmy Carter is referred to as "Dhimmi Carter" for is Obamaesque pro-Islamist policies, which only serve to emphasise the mistaken policies of the Democrats which have continued under Obama.

Your twisted logic doesn't justify the murder of civilians though.

[mikhail]

America did indeed support the Jihadists in Afghanistan:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

Jimmy Carter is referred to as "Dhimmi Carter" for is Obamaesque pro-Islamist policies.

Your twisted logic doesn't justify the murder of civilians though.

Maybe not, but America deserved a tragedy in order to show them the errors of their ways and to teach them consequences for their actions.

[Anglojew]

Maybe not, but America deserved a tragedy in order to show them the errors of their ways and to teach them consequences for their actions.

The problem is it's had the opposite effect, electing the Democrats twice. The Democrats are not just more pro-Islam in a typically leftist way but actually Obama is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood and has appointed many Muslim Brothers in positions of influence:

Indeed, almost unbelievably, his own brother -Malik Obama- is a Muslim Brotherhood leader:

Obama's Brother A Muslim Brother

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...Muslim-Brother

He has put traditional allies offside, such as Israel and Egypt, with Egypt convinced Obama himself is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and stating they have evidence to this effect:

Egyptian Newspaper Claims It Has Proof Obama is a Muslim Brother

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...Muslim-Brother

Former US General: Muslim Brotherhood Has Infiltrated US Government

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...-US-Government

Worse, if that's possible still, Obama's policies have lead to anarchy in the Middle-East and the slaughter, genocide and displacement of millions of Muslims and especially non-Muslims (in Syria and Iraq):

How Obama Has Enabled The Expulsion Or Genocide Of Non-Muslims In The Middle-East

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...he-Middle-East

The lamestream media is doing almost nothing to investigate or publicise these facts as well as the Benghazi scandal, his use of the IRS to target conservative (and pro-Israel) groups, and many many other scandals.

[Ars Moriendi]

I support the idea of the US welcoming all the Muslim refugees from war-torn areas.
Lebanon has done a lot already, timefor the US to welcome a few thousands of Sunni Muslim refugees from Syria.
They can hopefully convert more and more Americans. Insha'Allah.

My idea has been materialized just 4 days ago.
Check it Anglojew
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ving-to-the-US

ShariaforUS soon?

[portusaus]

I hate Muslims too, they should be impaled, but 911 was executed by the (Jewish oligarchy)US military, not Islamic terrorists. Do not spread misinformation in sneaky sophistic ways, Aussyid.

[Borna]

All who were once Christian or Pagan and converted to Islam are subhumans who ought to be buried alive.