Kids are overrated

[Herr Abubu]

Herein lies the problem, you value your manmade construct of a virtue called legacy, something that isn't even real. I could argue that if the entirety of humanity drop dead one day the planet would be better off without people polluting it, over consuming it's resources, causing different species to go extinct each and every day. The importance you hold your legacy is relative

You're trying too hard for something you're not cut out for.

First of all, legacy isn't a virtue. Humility is a virtue, however, and you completely lack it.

Secondly, if "social constructs" aren't "real", then the words with which you speak aren't real either. In other words, what you say isn't real and your actions are in contradiction with your words. Or you're simply blabbering. Probably both.

Thirdly, since you espouse relativism you can't use value judgments to argue against other value judgments. Your uninformed misanthropy would be as real as my valuing legacy. Moreover, there simply existing another argument B to counter argument A doesn't mean argument A is invalid, argument B might be a bad argument which doesn't refute argument A, as it clearly is in this case.

Finally, your comments aren't directly related to my argument. My argument is that the low fertility rate of Westerners is their implicit admission of an inferior legacy. Try see how this argument connects.

[Herr Abubu]

Well aren't you a passive-aggressive little fuck

It's called an aphorism.

[Demon Revival]

I have a whole laundry list of reasons why not to have kids, ranging from financial to emotional to the fact that I have no romantic interest in women to begin with. With that said, does my position seem a bit more understandable now?

Regardless I would wish to make it clear that my very personal aversion to breeding should not be assumed to stem from an aversion to children.

Well ain't this a bitch? It's attitudes like this that represent a victory for the "anti-whites".

[Longbowman]

I did not propose that. But there is no shortage of Westerners.

We'll have more room to breathe and the refugees can go elsewhere.

Cut immigration, then we'll talk. But not much.

[Herr Abubu]

Well ain't this a bitch? It's attitudes like this that represent a victory for the "anti-whites".

Spot the inconsistencies:

"There aren't enough white people in the world!" "I don't want to have children." "Can't brown and black people just be like us and not have children?" "Why are we on the losing side?"

I'm coming to think that the reason the world has so many problems is because people prefer to have problems to whine over than actually solve them. Some of the loudest "pro-whites" also don't give a damn about actually reproducing, but whine about non-whites reproducing too much.

[Longbowman]

Spot the inconsistencies:

"There aren't enough white people in the world!" "I don't want to have children." "Can't brown and black people just be like us and not have children?" "Why are we on the losing side?"

I'm coming to think that the reason the world has so many problems is because people prefer to have problems to whine over than actually solve them.

Of course. As I've said before, oppressed is the new black. It's easier to get validation from being downtrodden than by actually accomplishing something, particularly since the societal bar for being relevant has been raised so high and people are stupid.

[frankhammer]

What annoys me is when you tell people that you don't wish to have children, they instantly see you like an evil, despicable monster

The reason people have children is because of this unwritten social norm where the standard is to get married and, after a while, begin to generate progeny because "that's the thing to do". Also, most of them end up having kids because they have an idealized, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.

People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 3 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours.

Some of my female colleagues have either infants, toddlers or kids at all ages. All they talk about is the bad stuff like getting no sleep, financial obligations or their children fighting with each other. It seems like they are always complaining. I just sit back and realize how thankful I am that I don't have to worry about these things. I’m not baby crazy...yet - but after hearing all their horror stories, it makes me not want to have kids

It is just not this bad. Bar the first few years when the child is highly dependent on their parents and assuming you raise the child in a healthy environment, they're not sick that often. They don't fight that often and if you're in a financially sound position, the costs don't affect you. Quite honestly, the whole statement above sounds like whinging bullshit. If you don't want children, fine. Your choice. You may find that changes as you mature from a girl into a real women.

[Faklon]

Thread reeks of faggotry with the prime weakling Grimes bringing retards as an example of parenthood, inspiring even more fear to an already weak society. Guess what? If you can't talk straight, then it's hard to teach it to your kid, it may very well end up with some modernistic psychological disease like Cuckcuckow syndrome or something.

What can I say by having a friend in adoptions is that the institutions are full of miserious 60 year olds who try to recover their lost parenthood. This, in Greece happens by paying thousand of euros to shady lawyers and Bulgarian gypsy baby farmers. To his doctrine, they don't seem much like people who lived life in the fullest but often like miserious oldies who had great plans in the age of grande masturbation(60's, 70's, 80's) but they didn't realize that they were already weak to bear the burden.

[Herr Abubu]

It is just not this bad. Bar the first few years when the child is highly dependent on their parents and assuming you raise the child in a healthy environment, they're not sick that often. They don't fight that often and if you're in a financially sound position, the costs don't affect you. Quite honestly, the whole statement above sounds like whinging bullshit. If you don't want children, fine. Your choice. You may find that changes as you mature from a girl into a real women.

She will probably be too old by then. Not a bad thing necessarily if she doesn't reproduce.

[Sarmatian]

I really have no desire to have kids,blablabla