Expansionist maps

[The Ripper]

It DOESN'T, though! It's the same colour as the Suomenlaisi, and the borders match those of the Livonians in historical times!

The picture is small, but when you look at the original map, you see how the Balts cut the Livonian area into two parts, on both sides of the Gulf of Riga. In the map I ordered, the Baltic 'tip' is labelled as Estonian. Its nonsensical for two reasons: firstly its a silly mistake, and secondly, it makes no sense whatsoever to distinguish between Estonians and every other Finnic nation.

I emailed the place, notifying of the mistake. Not sure if he was completely sincere with me or whether it was just an ad hoc explanation to justify this mistake, but I was told in response that it is some 'principled' decision they made with the map, then he started going on about some pseudo-history of the supposedly Finnic Wends that inhabited northern Estonia, so I chose to desist. Oh well, the place I ordered it from is called hermeetikko.com

The mapmaker could have been a little more ambitious with regard to Lapp claims on Norwegian soil, though...

Well, the Norwegians did spread north quite early on, farther north than the Swedes.

By the way, it does indicate nicely how the Estonians own autoethnonym was inherited off the Balts, who got it off the Germanics in the first place... Is your 'Viro' word any older, or is that yet another IE term (Latin virus, English were, Irish fear, Welsh gwyr - 'man' etc.)?

Viro is derived from one of the historical counties of Estonia, Virumaa.

The name Viru probably has Finnic roots (e.g., Finnish language vireä means "vivacious", "lively"). According to an alternative hypothesis the word Viru may have originated from Baltic languages with the meaning 'man' (cf. English word virile). Earliest mention of the name is probably on Ängby Rune Stone in Uppland, Sweden which has inscription in memory of a Viking Björn who was killed in Virland (uirlant). In Finnish language, Estonia is still called Viro after Vironians. 'Viro' is also present in several Finnish place names like Virolahti, Virojoki and last names (Vironen, Virolainen). In Estonian, the word virulased is used for inhabitants of modern Virumaa counties or speakers of North Eastern Estonian dialects.

Etymology according to wikipedia.

[Osweo]

The picture is small, but when you look at the original map, you see how the Balts cut the Livonian area into two parts, on both sides of the Gulf of Riga. In the map I ordered, the Baltic 'tip' is labelled as Estonian. Its nonsensical for two reasons: firstly its a silly mistake, and secondly, it makes no sense whatsoever to distinguish between Estonians and every other Finnic nation.

Okie dokie, but you obviously have more money than sense to send off for such maps!

Well, the Norwegians did spread north quite early on, farther north than the Swedes.

Plenty of Pallantidoids were left marooned in the south, though...

Viro is derived from one of the historical counties of Estonia, Virumaa.



Etymology according to wikipedia.

Ah, cheers!

Urhg, just found a pic of one of those primitive Aesto-Chukchi;


The retrograde elements are best seen in profile, though.

Yuck!

[The Ripper]

Okie dokie, but you obviously have more money than sense to send off for such maps!

Well fortunately for me, its not very expensive (at all). But the preview picture was too small for me to notice, and the map was clearly based on that map I linked to earlier, so I just assumed it would follow the same borders. :/

[Sahson]

[Turkophagos]

The Byzantine Empire saw considerable recovery under the Macedonian Dynasty. By the mid-ninth century it was reduced to the dark red areas on this map; the yellow areas were reconquered between 867 and 1045.

[Lithium]

[Turkophagos]

[Lithium]

Do you know what legend means?
heheh

[Turkophagos]

Do you know what legend means?
heheh

Basil II (Greek: Βασίλειος Β΄, Basileios II; 958 – December 15, 1025), known in his time as Basil the Porphyrogenitus and Basil the Young to distinguish him from his ancestor Basil I the Macedonian, was a Byzantine emperor from the Macedonian dynasty who reigned from 10 January 976 to 15 December 1025.

The first part of his long reign was dominated by civil war against powerful generals from the Anatolian aristocracy. Following their submission, Basil oversaw the stabilization and expansion of the Byzantine Empire's eastern frontier, and above all, the final and complete subjugation of Bulgaria, the Empire's foremost European foe, after a prolonged struggle. For this he was nicknamed by later authors as "the Bulgar-slayer" (Greek: Βουλγαροκτόνος, Boulgaroktonos), by which he is popularly known.

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In 1014 Basil was ready to launch a campaign aimed at destroying Bulgarian resistance. On July 29, 1014, Basil II and his general Nikephoros Xiphias outmanoeuvred the Bulgarian army, which was defending one of the fortified passes, in the Battle of Kleidion. Samuel avoided capture only through the valour of his son Gabriel. Having crushed the Bulgarians, Basil was said to have captured 15,000 prisoners and blinded 99 of every 100 men, leaving 150 one-eyed men to lead them back to their ruler. Samuel was physically struck down by the dreadful apparition of his blinded army, and he died two days later after suffering a stroke. Although the extent of Basil's mistreatment of the Bulgarian prisoners may have been exaggerated, this incident helped to give rise to Basil's nickname of Boulgaroktonos, "the Bulgar-slayer", in later tradition.

[Lithium]

I know that but I personally don't believe it's completely true. Every country has lost battles :]