what is the difference between hallstatt nordic and corded nordic?

[Enflamme]

Both are Gracile-Med subtypes.

[Amud]

The distinction between a Hallstat and Corded Nordic type was Coon's. Other authors didn't have such a distinction. Coon had sort of a weird idea about how Nordics were formed. The Corded type was supposed to have a very long head and face and was related to the Irano-Afghan type. He thought that the Corded folk mixed with the Danubians, a type of small Mediterranean with a high mesocephalic skull and wide snubbed nose, to form the "Iron Age Nordic", which was divided into the Hallstat and Keltic subtypes.

Corded:


Iron Age Nordics (fig 1-2 Hallstat, fig 3-6 Keltic)


Danubian:



Splitting Nordics into these types was Coon's idea alone, and it was one of his weirder and more questionable ideas.

The idea of Corded being a robust hook-nosed type is an internet invention.

[Lucas]

At least you are right.

[Fantomas]

The distinction between a Hallstat and Corded Nordic type was Coon's. Other authors didn't have such a distinction. Coon had sort of a weird idea about how Nordics were formed. The Corded type was supposed to have a very long head and face and was related to the Irano-Afghan type. He thought that the Corded folk mixed with the Danubians, a type of small Mediterranean with a high mesocephalic skull and wide snubbed nose, to form the "Iron Age Nordic", which was divided into the Hallstat and Keltic subtypes.

That not his fault. Coon was just under influence of pseudo-historical conception that all of the Nordics must be the late newcomers in west Europe.While the more important here his conclusions that small Mediterranean type (like Sumer or predynastic Egyptian series) had close parallels with British average population, where Iron age Nordic type is basical. It means that Celtic Nordics and small Neolithic Meds. are almost identical cranially. So the most realistic hypothezis about origin of western Nordics would be just depigmentation of local Meds. without Corded or Danubian influence

[The Blade]

That not his fault. Coon was just under influence of pseudo-historical conception that all of the Nordics must be the late newcomers in west Europe.While the more important here his conclusions that small Mediterranean type (like Sumer or predynastic Egyptian series) had close parallels with British average population, where Iron age Nordic type is basical. It means that Celtic Nordics and small Neolithic Meds. are almost identical cranially. So the most realistic hypothezis about origin of western Nordics would be just depigmentation of local Meds. without Corded or Danubian influence

Iron Age Nordic is the basic element in Sweden.
Keltic Nordid predominates in Britain and it displays Dinaric/Baskid traits, not Mediterranean.
The Mediterranean strain in Britain is most visible in the Atlantid type.

[Fantomas]

Iron Age Nordic is the basic element in Sweden.
Keltic Nordid predominates in Britain and it displays Dinaric/Baskid traits, not Mediterranean.
The Mediterranean strain in Britain is most visible in the Atlantid type.

I'm just going by Coon's findings on this subject. Western Nordics are mostly differ from eastern, especially Scandinavian ones. with regard to pigmentation and cranial marks, and Dinaroid influence is not the only or even the main reason for that. The key points here: The first: sculls of Iron Age Western Nordics (ancestors of modern Nord-Mediterranids/ North-Atlantids/ Keltic-Nordids) are almost identical to Neolithic Meds. And the second: he honestly avowed, that there's no clear coherent view of cranial data after the early Bronze Age period in west Europe. It mean 1000 years lacune of racial history there. And the third: he wrote about invasion of gracile Nordics into Northern Europe in the last centuries BC. in addition we know from historical sources that Celts sent their colonists to the east of Rhine. Thereby there's some evidence that Iron Age Nordics could have a bit different origin than it's usually supposed

[The Blade]

I'm just going by Coon's findings on this subject. Western Nordics are mostly differ from eastern, especially Scandinavian ones. with regard to pigmentation and cranial marks, and Dinaroid influence is not the only or even the main reason for that. The key points here: The first: sculls of Iron Age Western Nordics (ancestors of modern Nord-Mediterranids/ North-Atlantids/ Keltic-Nordids) are almost identical to Neolithic Meds. And the second: he honestly avowed, that there's no clear coherent view of cranial data after the early Bronze Age period in west Europe. It mean 1000 years lacune of racial history there. And the third: he wrote about invasion of gracile Nordics into Northern Europe in the last centuries BC. in addition we know from historical sources that Celts sent their colonists to the east of Rhine. Thereby there's some evidence that Iron Age Nordics could have a bit different origin than it's usually supposed

Nah, man, I got your point now. By western Nordics you mean ancestors of British types (Keltic and North Atlantid) apparently.
I thought you were saying that Hallstatt (referred to by others also as Scando-Nordid, Teuton-Nordid and Iron Age Nordid) is the most common Nordic type in UK and this is why I disagreed because obviously Keltic Nordics make a higher percent of the population there.

[aherne]

First only occurs among Germanics, as a composite type of Aryan (Corded) with local CM (W Baltoid) influences...

[The Blade]

Corded is a more pan-Euro type (ancient Scythian ancestry).

[Fantomas]

Nah, man, I got your point now. By western Nordics you mean ancestors of British types (Keltic and North Atlantid) apparently.
I thought you were saying that Hallstatt (referred to by others also as Scando-Nordid, Teuton-Nordid and Iron Age Nordid) is the most common Nordic type in UK and this is why I disagreed because obviously Keltic Nordics make a higher percent of the population there.

Yes surely, all of these names of Nordics as Hallstatt,Scando-Nordid, Teuton-Nordid and Iron Age Nordid, which i prefer to call just East Nordids is rare enough in west Europe and were attributed by Coon with Illyrians and Germanic tribes. Ancestors of modern western Nordics mostly were common in France and Britain (which were called as Celtic Iron Age type or Galatian in his work) were contemporaries of Hallstatt Nordids and differed from them in some respects.