Are Hungarians Finno-Ugric or Germanic?

**Thraex** · 03-19-2010, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pallantides

They cluster pretty close to Germans and other West Europeans.

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Suomi - Finland
Kainuu - Kainuu
Varsinais-Suomi - Southwest Finland
Suomenruotsalaiset - Finland-Swedes

Venäjä - Russia
Latvia - Latvia
Tanska - Denmark
Hollanti - Netherlands
Britannia - UK
Italia - Italy
Ruotsi - Sweden
Viro - Estonia
Unkari - Hungary

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Stu.../1135254757770
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The study shows that nations who speak languages that are related to each other are not necessarily close genetically. Finnish genes are closer to those of the Dutch than they are to those of the Hungarians, whose language is related to Finnish.
Looks like you're neither Finno-Ugric or Huns.

Discuss.

**Arrow Cross** · 03-19-2010, 08:18 PM

Neither.

**The Khagan** · 03-20-2010, 03:36 AM

No such thing as being "Germanic" genetically. It's a linguistic term, so they are not Germanic.

Linguistically speaking, they are Finno-Ugric. But that doesn't necessarily define them at all. Hungarians are Hungarians, they are their own distinct people.

**Tabiti** · 03-20-2010, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Arrow Cross

Neither.

Indeed.
You create great threads, btw

**Thraex** · 03-20-2010, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Tabiti

Indeed.
You create great threads, btw

Pallantides brought up the issue so I opened a thread to discuss it further.

**RoyBatty** · 03-20-2010, 08:08 AM

Finno-Ugric

**esaima** · 03-20-2010, 09:54 AM

Linguistically Uralic> Finno-Ugric> Ugric.

**Arrow Cross** · 03-20-2010, 11:19 AM

Truth to be told, it's an extremely complicated topic veiled heavily in the mists of history, and multiple theories are circulating regarding both our tribal and linguistical origins. The Finno-Ugric thesis only appeared in the XIXth Century Habsburg era, when it served a political purpose of loosening the national spirit (at least in the intellectual circles) that started to ascend into dangerously rebellous heights again.

How did it do that? Beforehand, through all those centuries, it was common knowledge for Hungarians that they're the brother nation, the successors to Attila and his Huns, and that our ancestors were merely following in his footsteps. Medieval historians also exclusively followed this theory. That gave the people an identity of uniqueness, reinforced by the many new cultural imports the Magyar tribes brought into Europe like certain eating utensils, the use of trousers as we know them today, and many techniques related to the nomadic horseback lifestyle, both military and cultural (e.g. saddle-softened meat).

This site does a pretty decent job at considering the many alternatives, although somewhat curiously, it lists Huns as a Germanic people. Nevertheless, the overview is worth reading for those intrested in this topic.

http://controversialhistory.blogspot...ungarians.html

Also, this thread would be better off here.

**Pallantides** · 03-20-2010, 11:25 AM

I don't think they are Germanic, what I meant is that they are closer to West and Central Europeans(including Germans) then they are to Finnic people.

**~~Svanhild~~** · 03-21-2010, 01:27 PM

Hungarians are nice people, we happen to be on the same side in our mutual history a lot of times. I've visited Budapest and the Balaton with some friends a good while ago. Their language is rather unique and not slavic.

The only Hungarian word I know is "Reti pipitär. I don't know how to write it properly but it means daisy. Gänseblümchen.