The Finnish-Hungarian language relations

[KawaiiKawaii]

If everybody have black and Asian, why did you name Spaniards? it make no sense.
In any way, no one has the Asian amount that Finns have.


What? the proofs say that between 12-15 millions of Americans have black blood, and add these Americans with Native blood. And am I refuting the genetic proofs?? lol


And the Finnish culture is western, having the language that they have?

I accept whatever you like. So now, say something bout Finnish-Hungarian or just leave. Thank you.

[Stears]

In the IX Century, the Carpathian bassin was for all purposes primitive land, composed by semi-nomadic tribes and a proto-State known by current historiography as "Great Moravia". The Magyar warriors, led by Árpád dynasty settled the land, converted it to Christianism (which in turn ensured a civilizational transmission of Roman heritage to Central Euroope), developed laws, built the cities, contributed to the development of regular standing armies (The Black Army being the most powerful force of Europe at its time), favoured the development of Central European Renaissance (Hungary under Matthias Corvinus became the second biggest sponsor of XV Century after Italian cities), and political stability that was lost after Trianon.

In fact, it was thanks to the Turkic pressure coming from the Ottomans that Hungary suffered (what a great friendship) the worst plights of its history from the XI till the XX Century. Mohács ruined the country's territorial integrity, and started a 2-century long era of political strife between the Crown and the Protestant princes of Transylvania. Only till the final expulsion of Turks from Central Europe could Hungary recover.
Such a commitment to fighting Turks and their lemmings (of which Balkanites periodically made part) is the reason why the Vatican itself granted Hungary the title of "Shield of Christendom".

Finland is a much more recent country. It barely has 100 years of independent history. Yet, their evolution is the exact opposite of what your Turkic cultural references did.
Being a land who got out of prehistory in the XIII Century, they quickly became part of the Hanseatic System, and following Lenin's signing of their independence, they've joined a steady path of internal development. Since Manzikert, all you've succeeded in doing is destroying the cultural history of Anatolia, and usurpating Hellenic sites and monuments as tourist landmarks of your own.



I am an Iranophile. By definition, that is not eurocentric.
I also have respect for Japanese and Chinese civilizations.
I'm not a Pan-Aryanist as I find great substance and allure in the ancient Akkadian civilizations, of both Assyria and Babylon, which makes me to this day have a great deal of sympathy for the people that your hero Tamerlane butchered without pity.

To top it all, I'm not even negrophobic like Deidara is, as I find the Empire of Axum in Ethiopia to have been an interest cultural partner of Byzantium, which unfortunately ended up falling to the rise of Islam.

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Saying Turkic peoples have little to show of doesn't stem from racialism (which is something more akin to Jewish puritanism), but from simple fairness regarding the one and only thing that directs human affairs: Civilization-building.

I think louis the great was stronger monarch than Matthias Corvinus: Read about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_I_of_Hungary

[Stears]

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[Proto-Shaman]

There are many papers out there, here is a good example about the recent developments in Uralistics... The Enigma of the Classification of the Hungarian Language: Compactness and Relatedness, by Yuri Tambovtsev.

One thing is sure, the old scientific paradigm never goes away peacefully.

“It is obvious that not only the Ugric taxon should be reconsidered. It looks that recent developments in Uralistics are creating a sort of a crisis of a scientific paradigm in the field of Uralistics. One can notice the main features of this crisis, which were or are the same as in the other Sciences or Humanities. These features are well described by T. S. Kuhn in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" as the crisis of the old scientific paradigm and the creation of the new scientific theories (Kun, 1977: 96 - 109). Kuhn is quite correct to stress that the old scientific paradigm never goes away peacefully. Usually, the scholars strongly and negatively react to new theories and to those scholars who introduce new theories. Kuhn points out that what the scholars never do is to rush to the support of the new theory (Kun, 1977: 110 - 119). We can see the similar negative reaction of the majority of the specialists in Uralistics to the new theories of Ago Kuennap, Angela Marcantonio, Wiik Kalevi and others, who reject the old scientific paradigm in Uralistics.”

“It is easy to explain psychologically why the old scientific paradigms are more stable and why many scholars would rather cling to false (but old) paradigm than switch over to the true (but new and unknown) one. It is quite cosy to remain in the embrace of the old and known paradigm. One can always close his or her eyes to its inconsistencies and drawbacks. Many Uralic linguists got used to the old classification, which they first studied as students. They do not want to think about it twice, since they usually work on some other linguistic problems which do not concern the classification of languages. Usually, many linguists do not want to disturb "sleeping dogs". They do not believe that this or that linguistic classification must be checked again and again. Fortunately, in Uralistics there are some other linguists who think that with growing linguistic knowledge the old linguistic classifications should be verified. That is, every new linguistic fact should be used to verify the old linguistic classifications. If more and more new linguistic facts are discovered that contradict the old classification, it has to be reconsidered on the basis of the new level of linguistic knowledge. The linguists with modern linguistic thinking argue that the old linguistics classifications must be verified and checked again and again, and reconsidered if necessary, again and again. However, in Uralistics, as well as in linguistics in general, old classifications are not reconsidered after an abundance of new linguistic facts has been received. One must bear in mind a simple idea: what was good and logical several centuries ago, i.e., at the old level of development of linguistics, may be neither good nor logical at a more advanced development of linguistics, of course, if we want to call this "science". Any linguist must understand the difference between a linguistic fact, which may remain true, though discovered several centuries ago, and a linguistic theory, which can be altered or rejected when abundant new linguistic facts are discovered.”

[fenix978]

over 400 common words are no more "loanwords"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language

LOL, there is much more Turkish loanwords in Bulgarian, Greek, Serbian etc. language than in Hungarian because they were much longer under Turkish occupation.

And how many Turkish-'related' words are in Finnish language?

[blogen]

LOL, there is much more Turkish loanwords in Bulgarian, Greek, Serbian etc. language than in Hungarian because they were much longer under Turkish occupation.
And how many Turkish-'related' words are in Finnish language?

And because the average Turkic loanword in the Hungarian is Turkic (early medieval) and not Turkish (Ottoman age).

[Proto-Shaman]

And because the average Turkic loanword in the Hungarian is Turkic (early medieval) and not Turkish (Ottoman age).

These not only Turkic words, but also genuinely Hungarian words. Common genetic words.

[fenix978]

These not only Turkic words, but also genuinely Hungarian words. Common genetic words.

Hungarian is a Finno-Ugric language and has nothing common with your disgusting language.

[Antimage]

And the Finnish culture is western, having the language that they have?

Finland is ethnically, geographically, politically, culturally western. It's western in every way in fact.

language doesn't mean shit, really. are indians,iranians etc westerners because they speak indo european language? stupid logic

not to mention finnish is a european language, because native finnish speakers live in europe

[Stears]

Where is blogen the slovjak russyn mixture boy from North-Eastern Hungary?