Did Islam darken the world?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Everybody was Nordic in the Ancient world, you're right.

Triracials didn't come to planet earth pre-mixed by God, son. It happened over thousands of years. Get a grip.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Their looks darkened, but so did their spirit.

I present you muslim Goths.

[Scandalf]

Their looks darkened, but so did their spirit.

I present you muslim Goths.

LOL!!! She already dark!

[Scandalf]

Well, the right thing to say is the Islamic Golden Age is the result of the very non-islamic position of their intellectuals: science, homoerotic litterature and practices, christian and jewish contribution in the muslim society etc.

Let's say that bigots are the real problem.

[StonyArabia]

Their looks darkened, but so did their spirit.

I present you muslim Goths.

I like Gothic chicks no matter the religion, because it gives women a dominant demeanor.

[Ars Moriendi]

Triracials didn't come to planet earth pre-mixed by God, son. It happened over thousands of years. Get a grip.

Yep, Iran was blue-eyed and "Western", right?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Yep, Iran was blue-eyed and "Western", right?

Only some had blue eyes, but ethnic persians are indo iranians and very white. The lunatics who had a 'revolution' and overthrew the shah are not ethnic iranians but muslim retards who came from middle east. Iran was more western (and whiter) than Turkey before that. That's what Islam has been doing for 1400 years.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

The Andronovo culture is strongly associated with the Indo-Iranians (Aryans) and is often credited with the invention of the spoke-wheeled chariot around 2000 BCE.[3] The Andronovo culture is also notable for regional advances in metallurgy.[1]

Sintashta is a site on the upper Ural River. It is famed for its grave-offerings, particularly chariot burials. These inhumations were in kurgans and included all or parts of animals (horse and dog) deposited into the barrow. Sintashta is often pointed to as the premier proto-Indo-Iranian site, and it is conjectured that the language spoken was still in the Proto-Indo-Iranian stage.[4] There are similar sites "in the Volga-Ural steppe".[5]

The identification of Andronovo as Indo-Iranian has been challenged by scholars who point to the absence of the characteristic timber graves of the steppe south of the Oxus River.[6] Sarianidi (as cited in Bryant 2001:207) states that "direct archaeological data from Bactria and Margiana show without any shade of doubt that Andronovo tribes penetrated to a minimum extent into Bactria and Margianian oases".

Based on its use by Indo-Aryans in Mitanni and Vedic India, its prior absence in the Near East and Harappan India, and its 16th–17th century BCE attestation at the Andronovo site of Sintashta, Kuzmina (1994) argues that the chariot corroborates the identification of Andronovo as Indo-Iranian. Klejn (1974) and Brentjes (1981) find the Andronovo culture much too late for an Indo-Iranian identification since chariot-wielding Aryans appear in Mitanni by the 15th to 16th century BCE. However, Anthony & Vinogradov (1995) dated a chariot burial at Krivoye Lake to around 2000 BCE.[7]

Mallory (as cited in Bryant 2001:216) admits the extraordinary difficulty of making a case for expansions from Andronovo to northern India, and that attempts to link the Indo-Aryans to such sites as the Beshkent and Vakhsh cultures "only gets the Indo-Iranians to Central Asia, but not as far as the seats of the Medes, Persians or Indo-Aryans".

Eugene Helimski has suggested that the Andronovo people spoke a separate branch of the Indo-Iranian group. He claims that borrowings in the Finno-Ugric languages support this view.[8] Vladimir Napolskikh has proposed that borrowings in Finno-Ugric indicate that the language was specifically of the Indo-Aryan type.[9]

Since older forms of Indo-Iranian words have been taken over in Uralic and Proto-Yeniseian, occupation by some other languages (also lost ones) cannot be ruled out altogether, at least for part of the Andronovo area: i. e., Uralic and Yeniseian.[10] The area of the Andronovo culture may also have overlapped the Turkic-speaking area at its northeastern fringe.[11]

In the minority are those that believe in the multiethnic identity of the Andronovo tribes.[12] Thus, V N. Chernetsov (1973) argues for an Ugric substrate among the Andronovo tribes and a specific Indo-Iranian identity for the Alakul tribe.[13] Stokolos (1972), on the other hand, argues for an Ugric identity for the Andronovo, a local development for the Fedorov tribe, and an Indo-Iranian one for the Alakul tribe.[14]

According to Carl C. Lamberg-Karlovsky, from the common roots of the millennia-long Andronovo cultures, processes of both convergence and divergence allow for the presence of not only the Indo-Iranian languages but for other language families as well, that is, Altaic and Uralic,[15] both Proto-Turkic and Proto-Mongolian could reflect a culture like the Andronovo.[16] According to K. Jettmar, some sites show a striking similarity to the Tungusic peoples.[17]

At any rate the language group shows they are/were whities anyway. The ancient DNA for andonovo says they were white guys with r1a y-dna, much like original veddics.

[StonyArabia]

When I look at history, I noticed that the ancient descriptions of the peoples in Southern Europe, Anatolia, the Mideast and Persia were whiter than they are today.

North Africa had Vandalic Kingdoms. Some of the Berbers had reddish hair.

The Persians sometimes had blue eyes.

Spain was about 1/2 Celtic/ half Iberian (mix of Basque and Roman). Plus a small amount of Swabian and Visigoth.

Yet, that is not what see in Spain today. Spain does not look heavily Celtic any more.

Yet, wherever Islam spread their genes went with them. In Spain they demanded 100 Blond women for their Harems per year. You would have a hard time finding that in Spain today.

I am convinced that the Arabs which came from the Southern Arab peninsula (and had a mix of Yemeni/Ethiopic) in them darkened about 1/3rd of the planet with their rapine as they conquered.

The descriptions of the ancient Persians and some of the ancient Greeks does not match what we see today.

I am not asserting racial superiority, but only wondering if Islam phenotypically darkened one third of the planet from Spain to Iran.

No the people in those areas were always dark. The ancient and modern Persians are not much different. If anything the levant got somewhat whitewashed due to the Crusaders a mixed French, English, German forces. People make the mistake that the Arabs only expanded with Islam this is completely false, Arabian tribes like the Kedarites and Midianites were already present in the Levant, and yes they were dark skinned, not to mention other Arabian tribes like the Nabateans and the later Christianized Ghassanids. Those events pre date Islam. The goddess worshipping Kedarites migrated to the region since antiquity. Well Nabateans and Ghassanids migrated in the early 2nd and 4th century earlier. Did the Arab conquest bring about Arabian genes again yes it did. Though the most areas that have been effected is Jordan, southeast Syria, and Iraq. North Africans were never European like, nor the Arab impact was heavy, but during the 10th century Bedouin tribes from Arabia migrated there they spread some element of their culture. So Islam did not darken the world but rather the Arabians mixed with the locals, but in some areas there was a whole tribal movements in regions.