Ashkenazi Jews

[magnummagnum]

Please, I would like to know whether Ashenazi Jews can be considered European genetically and/or culturally.

[Guapo]

I suppose they are if they are really descended from Khazars who were converted to Judaism by force in AD 700. The question should be; Are Khazars European? The name "Khazar" seems to be tied to a Turkic verb form meaning "wandering" like the name "Scythian" in Slavic languages.

[magnummagnum]

Hi El Guapo, Do you mean that Ashenazi Jews are 100 % Khazar descendant???

In this case, they are not semitic and genetically have nothing in common with other Jewish communities as Sephardim, Italkim, Mizrahim, etc.

[Agrippa]

Ashkenazi Jews are mostly a mixture of Near Eastern and European people genetically, with varying dominances in individuals, families and regions.

Genetically and racially they are Europid, but not European, at least not in their vast majority and genetically.

Culturally and by religion, they are no Europeans neither, they are just here for a longer period of time and, like racially and genetically, in some regards closer than lets say some other Near Easterners. Their religion and traditional language is foreign in any case too.

Still they are no real Europeans by any meaningful standard and most of them dont behave like being ones and acting in a common interest, which is probably the worst aspect.

The Khazar story is nonsense, heavy Mongoloid influence is not present in most of the Ashkenazi Jews.

[Murphy]

To be European is to be Christian for starters. So no, Ashkenazi Jews are not European.

[Freomæg]

To be European is to be Christian for starters. So no, Ashkenazi Jews are not European.

To be TRULY European is to be Pagan, actually.

[Murphy]

To be TRULY European is to be Pagan, actually.

Really? How many pagans are there in Europe? And I don't mean these little pesky annoyances at Apricity who rabbit on about being pagan-this and pagan-that. I am talking about people whose pagan ancestors were never converted to the Faith? Who have an unbroken link back generations of pagan tradition and faith?

[Agrippa]

To be TRULY European is to be Pagan, actually.

Whether you believe in it is less important than that you have a Christian background, your family had a Christian background, thats the case for all of us.

And of course, I'd accept other religions NOW but Europe and the Europeans were formed by Christianity and those with a different background from the past are out.

Crucial is, in Europe, not being member of another monotheistic religion, because those existed not among Europeans and being made up by other, non European groups, Judaism and Islam in particular.

Converting to Judaism or Islam is like giving up your European heritage, like marrying a non-European and bringing up the children with a non-European identity, language and ethnocultural standards. Other confessions are not as problematic in my opinion.

[Tony]

Please, I would like to know whether Ashenazi jews can be considered European genetically and/or culturally.

A Rational and Fact-Based Argument by Ted Sallis
Conclusions

No doubt, there are some Ashkenazi Jews and part-Jews (e.g., “White Advocate”) who self-identify as White, Western, and European, and who sincerely wish to promote Western survival. We can welcome them and their contributions.

But that is not the issue at hand here, which is “White Advocate’s” incorrect assertion that Ashkenazi Jews as a whole are just another “White” ethnic group. No one can deny that different European groups — even closely related and geographically-near ethnies — can be genetically distinguished from each other. Modern genetic analyses can do this, and future, more fine-grained methodologies will perform even better to make these distinctions.

However, the same methods clearly show the Ashkenazim as being highly distinguishable from all types of Europeans. Further, Ashkenazi ethnogenesis cannot be seen as taking place in Europe proper, and they cannot in any way be seen as indigenous to Europe. Culturally and historically they are seen — by Jews and non-Jews alike — as being separate from European non-Jews.

Whether or not they are close enough to Europeans so as to be assimilable and accepted as “White” is another question, and not the subject of this analysis. It is noteworthy that in general Jews have had highly negative perceptions of the people and culture of Europe — a point that is apparent in the work of many scholars and intellectuals, from John Murray Cuddihy to Kevin MacDonald, to the recent book on Jewish liberals by Norman Podhoretz.

It is understandable that individuals such as “White Advocate” do not wish to be marginalized by the standard “White nationalist” argument for Jewish exclusion. However, a proper counter-argument for inclusion must have as its starting point an honest acknowledgement of the fundamental biological and cultural differences separating the Ashkenazim from European gentiles.

Such a realistic appraisal of group differences need not lead to exclusion, nor be seen as “anti-Semitic” in any way. Arguments and counter-arguments can be made as to the political ramifications of these differences, and people like “White Advocate”/”Guy White”/Ian Jobling/Friedrich Braun/Lawrence Auster are free to advocate for Jewish inclusion. The present essay makes no judgments, pro or con, on such inclusion, which is a separate topic entirely.

Indeed, since I would like to be fair and open-mined, I am “agnostic” on that issue. Perhaps “White Advocate”/”Guy White”/Ian Jobling/Friedrich Braun/Lawrence Auster can make arguments of sufficient power so as to convince me to accept their vision of Jewish inclusion. However, they will not convince any knowledgeable person by making dishonest and factually inaccurate “arguments” that completely misrepresent human population genetics data and that present a false model of Jewish identity. One cannot look at the totality of the evidence and claim that the Ashkenazim are just the same as any other “White ethnic” group. It just isn’t so, and “White Advocate” does himself and his agenda a serious disservice by attempting to argue otherwise.

To be European is to be Christian for starters. So no, Ashkenazi Jews are not European.

Sorry no.

To be TRULY European is to be Pagan, actually.

Neither.

In order to be European it doesn't take to believe in any otherworld/spirit/god far from it...

[Don]

Please, southamerican jew, admit that neither argentinians, neither jews are europeans.


And please, don't react trying to offend me and all spaniards (as you sudacas usually do with your inferiority complexes) after reading these words that show facts that are not my responsability.

Thanks.