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    There are now so many Western Ukrainian immigrants in Poland that soon there will be no people left in Western Ukraine. 2 million immigrants who came in 2014-2017. Imagine that 50% of Western Ukrainians work in Poland and 50% stay back in Western Ukraine - why should the border divide families? It is only natural that the land will be incorporated to Poland as well, together with its inhabitants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    There are now so many Western Ukrainian immigrants in Poland that soon there will be no people left in Western Ukraine. 2 million immigrants in 2014-2017. Imagine that 50% of Western Ukrainians work in Poland and 50% stay back in Western Ukraine - why should the border divide families? It is only natural that the land will be incorporated to Poland as well, together with its inhabitants.
    Ukraine has been depopulated of Ukrainians in the past. Still, the nation has managed to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    It was Soviet Ukraine's decision. Soviet Ukraine was ruled by Communist Ukrainians.
    Once I've checked who were the local rulers of Soviet Ukraine soon after the revolution. Among many dozens of surnames those sounding either Jewish or Ukrainian were the most frequent by far.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Ukraine has been depopulated of Ukrainians in the past. Still, the nation has managed to survive.
    When it was that Ukraine was depopulated?
    In addition it was about "ukrainian nation"???

    The most dengerous enemy of Ukrainians are
    Ukrainians themselves... o sorry... Ukrs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    When it was that Ukraine was depopulated?
    In addition it was about "ukrainian nation"???

    The most dengerous enemy of Ukrainians are
    Ukrainians themselves... o sorry... Ukrs...
    Well, perhaps I can educate you a bit. I can think of two major events just in the 20th century. First, there was the man-made Holodomor famine that claimed at least seven million--possibly several million more--Ukrainian lives. Second, Ukraine lost roughly a quarter of its entire population in WWII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    You can thumb down my posts
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    he deluded himself to be his own???
    Sameś uplótł bat na siebie samego

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Well, perhaps I can educate you a bit. I can think of two major events just in the 20th century. First, there was the man-made Holodomor famine that claimed at least seven million--possibly several million more--Ukrainian lives. Second, Ukraine lost roughly a quarter of its entire population in WWII.
    I thought, you mean something older.
    It did not depopulate Ukraine so much.
    There was still constant grow. Now don;t.
    And cause is not foreign, but own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Ethnic Polish minority in Lithuania has been living there since the 1300s AD. There is nothing "Soviet-imported" about them and they were always extremely important in Lithuania.
    I was not talking about Poles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silk View Post
    I was not talking about Poles.
    After 1918 the Baltic States would be better off as a federation, encompassing Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Northern East Prussia (with Southern East Prussia, inhabited largely by Polish-speaking albeit mostly Protestant population, incorporated to Poland). This is how I would draw the borders after WW1:


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