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    I support abortion rights, but something just seems wrong about this. At the same time I think it's ridiculous to allow an abortion on a 22 week old fetus, but once it survives consider it homicide if doctors don't attempt to prolong its life. This may sound cold, but if the fetus survives abortion (I'm not entirely sure how that works in the first place) then they should just euthanize the fetus soon after. What strikes me as inhumane is allowing it to sit there and die slowly for hours or days.

    A baby boy abandoned by doctors to die after a botched abortion was found alive nearly a day later.

    The 22-week infant died one day later in intensive care at a hospital in the mother's home town of Rossano in southern Italy.

    The mother, pregnant for the first time, had opted for an abortion after prenatal scans suggested that her baby was disabled.

    However, the infant survived the procedure, carried out on Saturday in the Rossano Calabro hospital, and was left by doctors to die.

    He was discovered alive the following day – some 20 hours after the operation – by Father Antonio Martello, the hospital chaplain, who had gone to pray beside his body.

    He found that the baby, wrapped in a sheet with his umbilical cord still attached, was moving and breathing.

    The priest raised the alarm and doctors immediately arranged for the infant to be taken to a specialist neo-natal unit at the neighbouring Cosenza hospital, where he died on Monday morning.

    Italian police are investigating the case for "homicide" because infanticide is illegal in Italy.

    The law means that doctors have had an obligation to try to preserve the life of the child once he had survived the abortion.

    The Italian government is also considering an inquiry into the conduct of the hospital staff.

    Eugenia Roccella, the under-secretary of state in the health department, on Wednesday night promised a government inquiry into the incident.

    “The minister of health will send inspectors to the hospital in Rossano Calabro to investigate what actually happened, and to see if the Law 194, which prohibits abortion when there is a possibility of the foetus living separately from the mother, and permits it only when the continuation of the pregnancy would result in life-threatening danger to the mother.”

    She said that if initial information is correct, “this would be a case of deliberate abandonment of a seriously premature neonate, possibly also with some form of disability, an act contrary to any sense of human compassion but also of any accepted professional medical practice".

    She added: “We must remember that a baby, once born, is an Italian citizen equal to all the others, and is entitled to all fundamental rights, including the right to health and therefore to be given full support.”

    The case has reignited controversy on the legality of abortion in the Roman Catholic country.

    It could also raise questions in Britain over the legal upper limits for abortion and the viability of the foetus – or its ability to survive outside of the womb.

    A spokesman for the ProLife Alliance said: "There cannot be anybody in the world who is not horrified by a story like this nor anybody in the UK who would not support a massive reduction in the upper limit for abortion."

    Most abortions at 22 weeks simply involve the induction of the birth which normally results in the death of a young foetus.

    The case is causing uproar in Italy because it is the second involving a foetus of that age surviving the procedure in just three years.

    The other involved a baby in Florence who weighed just 17oz when he was aborted at 22 weeks because of a suspected genetic disorder, but lived for three days.

    Since 1978, abortion has been available on demand in Italy in the first three months of pregnancy but is restricted to specific circumstances – such as disability- in the second trimester. The government is considering a review of the working of the laws.

    The case also comes as figures in Britain revealed last week that the number of babies born weighing only 2lbs has more than doubled in just two years.

    Yet the proportion of tiny babies born stillborn has nearly halved, the health service statistics have shown.

    The figures do not reveal at what stage the babies were born but a child weighing under 2lbs is likely to have been born at least three months early.

    They will inevitably include some born alive at an age when they could, in other circumstances, have been aborted.

    More than 200,000 abortions are performed each year, most for non-medical reasons within the legal upper limit of 24 weeks gestation.

    The increasing number of babies surviving below 24 weeks, partly because of advances in medicine, has led to widespread calls for the legal upper limit to be further reduced.

    Attempts to lower the limit failed in Parliament in 2008.

    In 2005 a baby boy in Manchester was born alive at 24 weeks after surviving three attempts to abort him. He is now a five-year-old schoolboy.
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    Should drag that bitch out head first with a pair of tweezers and dump her on a cold slab, and see how she fairs.

    I'll never understand the people who abort their babies. Mind you, I don't understand the minds of murderers, so I never will.

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    Abortion is murder. So is euthanizing newborns. It is no wonder our societies are dying out with this sort of attitude towards life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dane View Post
    Abortion is murder. So is euthanizing newborns. It is no wonder our societies are dying out with this sort of attitude towards life.
    Abortion is free choice, the problem comes from people just wanting no family and children, that attitude must be changed. We must look at the value of the family, bloodline and group though, rather than pseudoreligious moral.

    But there are cases in which the decision to abort is reasonable and it was practised in most societies until Christianity, even infanticide was, its just natural to choose in a societies which had to decide which one lives and which won't, with rare ressources.

    In this case the woman in question acted absolutely rational and exemplary, no reason to blame her for anything, because, as the article says:
    The mother, pregnant for the first time, had opted for an abortion after prenatal scans suggested that her baby was disabled.
    Thats the best reason for an abortion, because if the prenatal scans were right, that wouldn't have been a healthy and valuable child, carrier of the bloodline and group member anyway.

    So I'm assuming she wanted a child, just a healthy one. That attitude is the best, because people who don't care what they get and how they can and want care for their children are a plague.

    Yes to children and family, carrying on the own bloodline, tradition and group. But for that, we need healthy children with good traits and if we can detect that this won't be the case and unless we can correct a defect in the germline before birth, before being active in the phenotype and being carried on in the next generations, abortion is the only choice.

    Should drag that bitch out head first with a pair of tweezers and dump her on a cold slab, and see how she fairs.
    She's a developed human, a developed personality with a consciousness and she acted just right, the foetus on the other hand was not developed but rather a future human being, in this case one with a (presumably) serious defect.

    The only tragical thing in this case would have been if the doctors were wrong and the child would have been healthy. And of course its tragical for the woman, because she wanted a healthy child, that didnt worked out, now she has this "scandal" and experience too. Really nothing one would wish anybody, it was just very bad luck so to say...

    If she's a good European woman with a good European partner, I just hope it works out the next time.

    Personally I wouldnt want a woman to abort my offspring, even if the situation would be suboptimal, most likely not even after an affair, but for one reason: Detected negative traits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    In this case the woman in question acted absolutely rational and exemplary, no reason to blame her for anything, because, as the article says:

    The mother, pregnant for the first time, had opted for an abortion after prenatal scans suggested that her baby was disabled.
    Thats the best reason for an abortion, because if the prenatal scans were right, that wouldn't have been a healthy and valuable child, carrier of the bloodline and group member anyway.
    I'll agree with you in that given a choice anyone would wish to have a healthy child, but I personally have to yet come across a midwife, doctor, potential parent who has taken, condoned, witnessed, etc, this test and had the results come through 100% as foretold.

    I know 2 very close friends who apparently were supposed to have disabled children, yet bore 2 very healthy children.

    Gutter talk now, but this whore decided wrong. May she rot in Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Angel View Post
    I'll agree with you in that given a choice anyone would wish to have a healthy child, but I personally have to yet come across a midwife, doctor, potential parent who has taken, condoned, witnessed, etc, this test and had the results come through 100% as foretold.

    I know 2 very close friends who apparently were supposed to have disabled children, yet bore 2 very healthy children.
    I heard of such cases too. In one case the doctor diagnosed microcephaly, but just because he calculated the wrong way. The father, a doctor too, looked at it a second time, came to the correct result and didnt do the abortion - the girl was healthy.

    Such things happen, especially if the problem can't be detected genetically, but just in the ultrasound and the doctor is not very experienced or simply capable. Still the failures are quite rare and the methods highly valuable. Its like it is with many other modern medical methods, they usually help a lot, but in some rare cases they can cause more troubles than the disease itself, thats statistics.

    Gutter talk now, but this whore decided wrong. May she rot in Hell.
    That the foetus still lived doesnt mean he was healthy, unless we get more information on the case. And I can imagine much worse crimes than caring for a healthy child and the group, which is no crime but just responsibility and exemplary behaviour.

    Another case for constrasting it: One woman got twins - two Down Syndrome twins. She got the message from the doctor just in time and could have aborted, but she decided to carry them out, now she has a full time job with these two "Mongoloid" children with trisomy 21 and said: "They keep me busy all the time, originally I wanted more children, but now I want to care for them with all my energy and dont need more children..."

    Now thats something for going to hell, because its too stupid for being not punished! Ruining the own life and bloodline, harm the group, even though having a choice, getting no healthy children and caring the rest of her life for a branch which will die off anyway...

    THATS a problem case, not that exemplary woman which did the right thing under difficult circumstances.

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    Do as Spartans did: let a baby be born and in case he/she is disabled throw him/her into an abyss.

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    I believe the Inuits and other Arctic cultures had a similar practice when it came to disabled or defective newborns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    I believe the Inuits and other Arctic cultures had a similar practice when it came to disabled or defective newborns.
    The difference between abortion and infanticide isn't that big as we usually believe it is.

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