Merkel misled Germans

[poiuytrewq0987]

That's really unfortunate, Absinthe. I thought at least the situation in Greece was better than other Balkan countries but it doesn't seem Greece is very high on the ladder. I think if the Greeks want a real change then they should vote for LAOS instead just of PASOK or ND (oddly similar to the political situation in the USA where people just vote for the Democrat/Republican party).

[The Lawspeaker]

That's really unfortunate, Absinthe. I thought at least the situation in Greece was better than other Balkan countries but it doesn't seem Greece is very high on the ladder. I think if the Greeks want a real change then they should vote for LAOS instead just of PASOK or ND (oddly similar to the political situation in the USA where people just vote for the Democrat/Republican party).

It doesn't make much of a difference for what party one votes. They're all the same.

[poiuytrewq0987]

It doesn't make much of a difference for what party one votes. They're all the same.

Not really. The PASOK and ND are the two parties that have been in power post-WW2. Those two parties have a monopoly on Greek politics. If a party like LAOS or some other right wing party comes in and break the monopoly then there's likely to be a change.

[Absinthe]

I think if the Greeks want a real change then they should vote for LAOS instead just of PASOK or ND (oddly similar to the political situation in the USA where people just vote for the Democrat/Republican party).

Well if the average Greek is guilty of one crime, that's not laziness or even corruption.

It's stupidity. Immense, unfathomable stupidity.

They've been voting for those two interchangeably over the last 40 years, despite the fact that they've been repeatedly let down by both.

So what they do is vote for one of them and when one scandal appears after another, they "punish" this government by voting for the competition. And when the competition gets elected and fucks up they bring back the previous party.

But don't think that LAOS would change the situation. Why? Because they're against immigration? In my eyes they're potential candidates for corruption just like everyone else in Greek politics. They might not appear to be so because so far they don't have enough power. But over the years there hasn't been a single party that hasn't been corrupted once they entered the parliament.

[Agrippa]

Well if the average Greek is guilty of one crime, that's not laziness or even corruption.

It's stupidity. Immense, unfathomable stupidity.

They've been voting for those two interchangeably over the last 40 years, despite the fact that they've been repeatedly let down by both.

So what they do is vote for one of them and when one scandal appears after another, they "punish" this government by voting for the competition. And when the competition gets elected and fucks up they bring back the previous party.

Well, thats what we call "Liberal Democracy" in the West, especially in countries in which there is a majority voting system, which makes things works. Tweedledee and Tweedledum, I call it in German "Schaukeldemokratie", because it swings forth and back, forth and back, but always in the established range which the "political correctness", pressure by the media and educational system, the structures and police state, allow it. Thats in the end a plutocratic rule, even more so as the swing became shorter and shorter. I mean in some distant past, some decades from now, voting for the Socialists/Social Democrats had at least something to do with a prosocial and fair policy in general, yes, too lax with immigration, moral and faster spreaders of Cultural Marxism too, but still.

Now you can look at Labour in Britain or the SPD in Germany, they dont even apply to their own old standards any more, being totally corrupted, not just in Greece, just think about the "politicians to rent like a taxi" in Britain...

This system as such has be overthrown, Liberal Democracy doesnt work. I dont know if Democracy, real one, works at all, but this one for sure not.

But don't think that LAOS would change the situation. Why? Because they're against immigration? In my eyes they're potential candidates for corruption just like everyone else in Greek politics. They might not appear to be so because so far they don't have enough power. But over the years there hasn't been a single party that hasn't been corrupted once they entered the parliament.

That was called in Italy "Transformismo". It worked with most movements and parties once they had to "go through the institutions" and when they achieved to move into the higher political sphere, they were already as "centered and corrupted" as all others...

Thats more virulent in the South of Europe I'd say, shows that there is more will for a change and less for stability there, but not enough to form a group with real idealists who have concrete and consequent goals.

Yet thats what all of Europe is suffering from, probably the whole of humanity, especially in our times in which Liberalcapitalism degraded all of them under the plutocratic rule.

[Austin]

No party in our parliament is against a bail out, no party is against the European Union and the Euro currency. It doesn't matter if Merkel loses the next election or not, the shit stays the same. Until a real pro national party enters the parliament.

That's what I was thinking, Merkel is like moderate-right compared to most other German politicians yes? Come down to Texas and see what a fiscal anti-tax, anti-welfare politician really is hah (:

[The Lawspeaker]

That's what I was thinking, Merkel is like moderate-right compared to most other German politicians yes? Come down to Texas and see what a fiscal anti-tax, anti-welfare politician really is hah (:

But as a consequence the levels of poverty in Texas are astoundingly high. The odd thing is that if there would be no immigrants in Germany then the tax income could be better spend and there would be no poverty whatsoever.

[Austin]

But as a consequence the levels of poverty in Texas are astoundingly high. The odd thing is that if there would be no immigrants in Germany then the tax income could be better spend and there would be no poverty whatsoever.

Yes but you see the reason Texas has so much poverty is because, and this is what you will never hear, anywhere, ever, is that Texas has 5-6 million illegal aliens from Mexico in it living ten to a house on the poor sides of cities where everyone is illegal.

Also most Mexicans in Texas are poor, even the legit ones. I live in a middle-upper class neighborhood of 400 in south Texas in a majority Mexican-city. Know how many Mexicans live in my neighborhood? Zero. Texas government is still run by whites. The whites take the tax revenue (since they generate it) and allocate it only to our districts, to our schools, to our communities.

The reason Texas has poverty is because Texas state and local govt. doles out the tax money to white (European-descent) only areas, and lets the immigrants squalor in their filth drug ridden ghetto's.

In the U.S. whites have had to learn to find ways to keep non-whites out of their areas and stop them from plundering our tax money that we generate. In Texas this is done by a zealous anti-minority police force and radical drug laws which negatively impact minorities.

[Arne]

Well if the average Greek is guilty of one crime, that's not laziness or even corruption.

It's stupidity. Immense, unfathomable stupidity.

They've been voting for those two interchangeably over the last 40 years, despite the fact that they've been repeatedly let down by both.

So what they do is vote for one of them and when one scandal appears after another, they "punish" this government by voting for the competition. And when the competition gets elected and fucks up they bring back the previous party.

But don't think that LAOS would change the situation. Why? Because they're against immigration? In my eyes they're potential candidates for corruption just like everyone else in Greek politics. They might not appear to be so because so far they don't have enough power. But over the years there hasn't been a single party that hasn't been corrupted once they entered the parliament.

It´s not about Guilty it´s about bail out Greek even if you´re already in the same Trouble ?
How can a Country give Money if they are in Debts ?
Had you noticed Germany is heavily indebted ?
Maybe these Germans don´t work enough to satisfy the Hunger of each and every Country which demand Money.
Who will be the Next ?
That´s one of the Questions you reconsider yourself..
Don´t you think it´s stopping ?
Who will pay Germany´s debts ?
Anyone ? Someone ?
People outside from Germany should understand that Germany is not the rich Spender anymore.
Then Germany is Guilty supporting Countrys with not available Money.

[Absinthe]

It´s not about Guilty it´s about bail out Greek even if you´re already in the same Trouble ?

I am sorry, I don't understand your English

How can a Country give Money if they are in Debts ?
Had you noticed Germany is heavily indebted ?

Why are you saying this to me? Am I the Prime Minister of Greece? Is it my decision?

And yes, I very well understand why Germans are pissed off. I would be equally so if in their shoes. But those are decisions that the average citizen (of either country) has absolutely no say over.

In this respect, we have been both (Germans and Greeks) lied to and cheated by our fucking governments.

You think the ordinary Greek citizen wanted to end up asking money from Germans? If anything, it is humiliating.

Maybe these Germans don´t work enough to satisfy the Hunger of each and every Country which demand Money.

Again, why are you directing this question at me? Effing LOL! Or even at Greeks in general?

WE didn't make the EU or the Eurozone. It was obviously a lousy idea, and a situation where nobody wins. If Germany (and every other European country) had chosen sovereignty over those stupid monetary policies then nobody would be in this deep shit today.

Who will be the Next ?

I don't know. It could be anyone. It could be you.

That´s one of the Question you reconsider yourself..
Don´t you think it´s stopping ?

Here's a question that I don't understand. What do I think is stopping? Your English doesn't make sense.

Who will pay Germany´s debts ?
Anyone ? Someone ?

LOL, let me call my personal accountant and come back with the answers

People outside from Germany should understand that Germany is not the rich Spender anymore.
Then Germany is Guilty supporting Countrys with not available Money.

Why are you saying this to me? Did I ask for German money? Did our politicians tell me they were embezzling German money? Do you think I was personally approving this?