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    Default UK or France: which is more left-wing overall?

    This is an interesting debate, and it can go either way. On the one hand, the British are (arguably) somewhat more liberal about race, immigration, gender roles and possibly even nowadays sexuality than are the French. (The debates regarding gay marriage were much more polarised and vitriolic in France than in the UK). On the other hand, the French have a strictly-enforced 35-hour working week, a bigger welfare state, a lot more wholly or partly State-owned companies and industries, more active trade unions, and stricter laws regarding hiring and firing workers. In short, this ultimately comes down to whether you consider social issues or economic issues to be more important.

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    Entirely depends on what you'd call « left-wing ». Historically France has been fertile ground for political and philosophical liberalism, while the shopkeepers across the sea made themselves champions of economical liberalism.

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    France is where the UK used to be before the Thatcherites & New-labour Blairites... The French today have a more left-leaning nation than 'England'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    France is like what the UK used to be before the Thatcherites & New-labour Blairites... The French today have a more left-leaning nation than 'England'.
    On economic issues, definitely. However, my point is that, on social issues, I very much question the idea that France is more left-leaning than Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudel View Post
    Entirely depends on what you'd call « left-wing ». Historically France has been fertile ground for political and philosophical liberalism, while the shopkeepers across the sea made themselves champions of economical liberalism.
    Economic liberalism, at least nowadays, is a mostly right-wing phenomenon, as it is opposed to social democracy/socialism, although I agree that this wasn't its original inception and understanding. Furthermore, parliamentary democracy came earlier in Britain than in France, and like I said to Graham, I do question the idea that the French are more liberal (on social issues) than the British, both in the present and in the past.

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    And it depends if you mean left-wing "politically" or "ontologically".

    France is probably more left-wing politically. You can blame Mitterrand and now Hollande for that... but the political class is deeply ressented by the population since the end of De Gaulle, so doesn't reflect at all the will of the people, just the will of a little group of people.
    Ontologically, French people are probably more conservative than the british... The UK being more thalassocratic, the idea of "change and movement" is more widely accepted.

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    France has a more Liberal Democracy compared to Britain( head of state & second chamber). England has little right-to-roam, though I'm not sure what France is like on land issue.

    Under law we're both under European Court of Human Rights. That could change, English are opposed because it is too Liberal..

    Britain is Liberal on religious issues.

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    The UK, at least on social issues. On social issues even Spain, a very Catholic nation, is more liberal than France.

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    University tuition fees are always a good barometer for how socialist an EU country is.

    In the UK it's like 9000 GBP per year. In France it's a mere 200 EUR.

    So, France, hands down.

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    In England, you don't pay back tuition fee loans unless you earn over £21K annually in lifetime.

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