Religious coexistence, impossible?

**alb0zfinest** · 01-16-2015, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sideritis

Well, I am not an expert. But I guess your assumptions are not true. Nothing is stated about " getting rid" of the non-believers. On contrary, is an obligation for believers to lead the non-believers to the " right path".

Here is a quote from the bible advising its readers saying that if someone is not seeking Jesus, then he/she should be put to death.

"And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman."

Here is a quote from the Quran

"And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip. Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." -Quran 8:59:60

Here is the Qur'an advising his followers to use physical force against those who do not believe in him.

**Pjeter Pan** · 01-16-2015, 05:38 PM

Bro this was in the past. No one fucking follows those writing nowadays. Maybe extreme radical Muslims but that's it.

**alb0zfinest** · 01-16-2015, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Archon Progon

Bro this was in the past. No one fucking follows those writing nowadays. Maybe extreme radical Muslims but that's it.

But that is my point exactly. If you actually followed your religion properly then you could not coexist with someone from another religion. Which means Religions are intrinsically bad, and its not actually the case that the followers are misguided as it is often claimed.

**Sideritis** · 01-16-2015, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by alb0zfinest

Here is a quote from the bible advising its readers saying that if someone is not seeking Jesus, then he/she should be put to death.

"And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman."

Here is a quote from the Quran

"And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip. Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." -Quran 8:59:60

Here is the Qur'an advising his followers to use physical force against those who do not believe in him.

Well honestly it doesn't specify who is going to put them " to death". It could be taken metaphorically. Nevertheless if so, than they should still use horses. They all have to take a ride out of the Middle Ages.

**Atvend** · 01-16-2015, 05:50 PM

The inherent problem with religions is not the books but the fact that they form institutions where beliefs are preached to people. If a person reads these books and begins to form radical tendencies the problem is still isolated and can be contained. He may try to spread his beliefs but he is just an average person without much weight. But if he were in the clergy, his word would be unquestioned to the followers of that religion, and now you have a radical cell that will spread like a virus.

**Virtuous** · 01-16-2015, 05:53 PM

As someone else mentioned before me, Semitic religions were born and established to be the undisputed spiritual guidance and moral code of their respective societies. These days Coexistence is but a codeword for Divide and Rule tactics, and useful idiots (being the idiots they are) embrace such view.

**alb0zfinest** · 01-16-2015, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sideritis

Well honestly it doesn't specify who is going to put them " to death". It could be taken metaphorically. Nevertheless if so, than they should still use horses. They all have to take a ride out of the Middle Ages.

"but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman." Who do you think is going to put them to death? It was already established that their punishment by god would be hell. That leaves man to put them to death. Also notices it says SHOULD BE. If it was god that was going to do the deed it would say THEY WILL BE PUT TO DEATH. On the other hand if he is advising his followers he advised them that they should be put to death.

Nonetheless, even if what you said was true, which I do not think is the case, the quote from Islam is quite straight forward, and if one religion cannot coexist with another then how is coexistence possible?

**alb0zfinest** · 01-16-2015, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sundimtar

The inherent problem with religions is not the books but the fact that they form institutions where beliefs are preached to people. If a person reads these books and begins to form radical tendencies the problem is still isolated and can be contained. He may try to spread his beliefs but he is just an average person without much weight. But if he were in the clergy, his word would be unquestioned to the followers of that religion, and now you have a radical cell that will spread like a virus.

I think actually that is the problem. If you look at the books teachings (refer to my post before about what the Abrahamic religions advise their followers to do in the case of people that do not follow their religion) then you will see that they are the problem. Naturally there are some people that corrupt some teachings and bend it to their will, but there are plenty of others that do not. All of these people doing harmful things in the name of their religion are not just getting these ideas out of thin air.