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    The only problem is: Marxism is worthless without Leninism or something that adds more substance to the theories. Also and and again:

    Not all the predictions of Marx came true, sometimes even the completely opposite happened.


    You don't need Marx to be anti-capitalistic, there always were other movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenzland View Post
    The only problem is: Marxism is worthless without Leninism or something that adds more substance to the theories. Also and and again:

    Not all the predictions of Marx came true, sometimes even the completely opposite happened.


    You don't need Marx to be anti-capitalistic, there always were other movements.
    Being anti-capitalistic is one of the most worthless things you can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylie Estefan View Post
    They are not bad things in and of themselves, but only in moderation. They must not become the be all and end all of life, and must be tempered by a strong emphasis and protection of individual rights and freedoms. Anyway, regarding the OP, while the Dalai Lama does have some good points, at the same time what he is saying is ridiculously over-simplistic, hippyish and almost puerile. For example, discrimination against women occurs among the rich as well as among the poor, and would not disappear were socioeconomic inequalities to be remedied. Indeed, in India's case, there is evidence that middle-class parents are even more culpable of sex-selective abortions than are working-class parents, because they generally want smaller families and would still prefer to have a son rather than a daughter, and they usually use private rather than public clinics, where doctors are more willing to flout the law regarding gender screening.
    A lot of the image of the Dalai Lama in the Western media is more of a pop media sensation. He's very different in regards to his own people, far more conservative and more of a reactionary figure like the pope than some hippie progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhaoyun View Post
    A lot of the image of the Dalai Lama in the Western media is more of a pop media sensation. He's very different in regards to his own people, far more conservative and more of a reactionary figure like the pope than some hippie progressive.
    He's one of those people who human rights activists treat as absolutely sacrosanct, alongside people such as Aung San Suu Kyi, Rigoberta Menchu, the Madres de la Plaza de Mayo, Ken Sarowiwa and Andrei Sakharov.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falange..._y_de_las_JONS

    Those guys for example.

    They are anti-capitalists and still anti-communists. No need for Marx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylie Estefan View Post
    He's one of those people who human rights activists treat as absolutely sacrosanct, alongside people such as Aung San Suu Kyi, Rigoberta Menchu, the Madres de la Plaza de Mayo, Ken Sarowiwa and Andrei Sakharov.
    Treating any human being as sacrosanct or unquestionable is the first step towards despotism. Never a good idea by any measure. Human beings have flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenzland View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falange..._y_de_las_JONS

    Those guys for example.

    They are anti-capitalists and still anti-communists. No need for Marx.
    Not such a pleasant example, to say the least. What about Greens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylie Estefan View Post
    Not such a pleasant example, to say the least. What about Greens?
    Why not?

    Greens aren't really anticapitalists. Like the Social Democrats.

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    Pope makes sense in the original post. Limbaugh and Lama don't, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenzland View Post
    Why not?

    Greens aren't really anticapitalists. Like the Social Democrats.
    They are anti-capitalist by contemporary standards at least. Anyway, Falangists were a bunch of theocratic and misogynistic Catholic reactionaries, so I have no time for them.

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