Reduced Armenids - Their Traits and History, Particularly in the Jewish People

[Agrippa]

What does a soul have to do with typology?

The reduced Armenids were bred among sedentary farmes and city dwellers in the area of the Fertile Crescent in the Near East, being particularly often active in the field of trade. They were made to be subdominant looking, no threat, even rather wretched, but getting you with from behind...

Of course, thats a generalisation, but really this is the only really urban type in the world, I mean bred for the chaotic cities of the Near East with all their traps for thousands of years. This is particularly evident if comparing them, both appearance, physical qualities and character, with the mountain herders of the more progressive Armenoid kind, they wouldn't stand a chance in anything but a degenerated culture and social niche in comparison to more harmonious progressive forms, both physically and with their dominant personality traits.

Its not by chance that you find them so often among the worst elements of the Jewish people, or other people in which this element is present too...

Kissinger, Blankfein, Soros, Mayer, Sharon, Knobloch, Friedman etc., one could name so many individuals which represent not just "the stereotypically bad Jew", but even in its worst expression.

The Armenid type wasn't successful otherwise latest since its independent states were conquered by Indoeuropeans and Semites...

[Äike]

The reduced Armenids were bred among sedentary farmes and city dwellers in the area of the Fertile Crescent in the Near East, being particularly often active in the field of trade. They were made to be subdominant looking, no threat, even rather wretched, but getting you with from behind...

Of course, thats a generalisation, but really this is the only really urban type in the world, I mean bred for the chaotic cities of the Near East with all their traps for thousands of years. This is particularly evident if comparing them, both appearance, physical qualities and character, with the mountain herders of the more progressive Armenoid kind, they wouldn't stand a chance in anything but a degenerated culture and social niche in comparison to more harmonious progressive forms, both physically and with their dominant personality traits.

Its not by chance that you find them so often among the worst elements of the Jewish people, or other people in which this element is present too...

Kissinger, Blankfein, Soros, Mayer, Sharon, Knobloch, Friedman etc., one could name so many individuals which represent not just "the stereotypically bad Jew", but even in its worst expression.

The Armenid type wasn't successful otherwise latest since its independent states were conquered by Indoeuropeans and Semites...

Your post gave a new definition to pseudoscience. Do you have any reliable scientific articles not from the pre-WW2 era that say that people with certain physical traits are fit for a certain job. It's hard to believe that a group of people achieved a "subdominant look" by practicing a profession(trading).

[Truth Seeker]

Your post gave a new definition to pseudoscience. Do you have any reliable scientific articles not from the pre-WW2 era that say that people with certain physical traits are fit for a certain job. It's hard to believe that a group of people achieved a "subdominant look" by practicing a profession(trading).

I read a study about Americans with different professions having different metrics like neck circumference and face size and other metrics. If I find it Ill post it.

[Truth Seeker]

A study on chinese workers http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/cgi.../full/52/8/773

Here is pdf http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...t/52/8/773.pdf

[Agrippa]

Your post gave a new definition to pseudoscience. Do you have any reliable scientific articles not from the pre-WW2 era that say that people with certain physical traits are fit for a certain job. It's hard to believe that a group of people achieved a "subdominant look" by practicing a profession(trading).

They "achieved" their subdominant look because being forced into a subdominant position as farmers and city dwellers.

It's in a way similar to what the Jews as a whole experienced when they were restricted to certain fields, for which they were both fit and had to adapt even more.

In a similar way you deal in this case with a racial form which origins can be sought in the Caucasian mountains most likely.

From there a rather progressive Armenoid group of people expanded into the Fertile Crescent were they mixed with local Alpinoids and other stock, but were finally bred to something more dependent, less warlike and herder adapted, tillers and city dwellers. Those were subjugated in a whole series of conquests with their own names being long forgotten, being related to the Churri/Hurrians, Urartians and Chatti/Hatti people of most likely Caucasian related languages. Those were not fully Armenoid in any case, but they already had the seeds in their genpool and at that time largest portion of the reduced Armenids already.

They were later divided between Indoeuropeans (Hittites, Mitanni, Armenians, Kurds, Medes, Persians etc.), Semits (Jews, Arabs etc.) and Turkic people (Turks). So the Armenid type, common among Jews today, was originally no Semit racial type, but the local farmer and urban people's descendents Semits assimilated, similar to what happened by the Indoeuropeans in Armenia.

In this subdominant position and in the context of sedentary people with low level individual and group selectionf or saving and social adaptation, they had to compete for their very own niche especially in the cities and more often than otherwise they succeeded in trading.

We have the skeletons of the warriors and elite from Syria f.e. which looks still a like a highly progressive group of people but under this pretty surface this degenerated racial form emerged out of the subjugated people and had to adapt to its subdominant position, while striving for dominance from the back.

This reduced Armenid variant is in comparison to others, even in its very own region:
- disharmonious
- unattractive
- physically less potent and versatile
- a subdominant physique
- saving variants as they can comply better to deficiencies

Thats for sure and I add to that:
- less often among people which are ready to sacrifice or have higher Idealism
- more often among people which are active in trade, corruption, political and intellectual manipulation

Really they have no other niche or "right to exist" from a biological standpoint, their shere existence must be explained by an advantage for survival among the other forms in the Near East.

Interestingly those variants are also among those with high social intelligence, they somewhat tend to a combination of schizothymic and zyklothymic trait in their own way.

I'd suggest that in the situation of the South Western Fertile Crescent among the sedentary people a strong selection towards subdominant social adaptation took place, but with the result of a people, different f.e. from the Alpinid and Osteuropid type, which are not followers, but rather active hustlers which don't compete with the warrior, but in the priest and merchant class, or generally the adaptive and independent farmers.

One has to say that the living conditions especially in this area of the Near East were really different, so it is just absurd to assume that the same selection worked there as f.e. in Eastern Europe.

If you think that some Northern European areas have the same degree of urban life like those areas in the Near East since hundred of years or decades, those for many thousands of years and the reduced Armenid type was not present originally in significant numbers, was not the founder of civilisation, but rather a niche adaptation after the civilisation was established by mostly Mediterranoid people.

I suggest: Proto-Iranoid -> progressive Armenoid in the Caucasian mountain areas -> expansion into the valleys and the Fertile crescent, mixture with Alpinoids and selection for a more sedentary, saving farmer variant and city dweller. In those cities strong selection for "clever social competition from a subdominant starting position" in the context of the chaotic habitat of the Near Eastern cities.

[Breedingvariety]

Your post gave a new definition to pseudoscience. Do you have any reliable scientific articles not from the pre-WW2 era that say that people with certain physical traits are fit for a certain job. It's hard to believe that a group of people achieved a "subdominant look" by practicing a profession(trading).

Do you need scientific articles to understand that for example long legged people are fit for running?

More precisely saying people of "subdominant look" were better suited for trading so "dominant looking" individuals were less successful in it and were outbred causing group to become less "dominant looking". Natural selection works on humans as well. Individuals have to adapt to nature and find their place in social order that strongly determines their spouse suitors. Peoples of similar lifestyles develop characteristics suitable for these lifestyles simply because unsuitable are outbread from these social circles. Individuals of higher social status not only are more likely to posses better values and physical characteristics but they also can get more desirable spouses from lower social classes thus making higher classes more evolutionary versatile simply because of wider choice of partners if nothing else. In time social classes become more biologically defined and mixing becomes unusual.

[Agrippa]

Probably we need some illustration.

We can keep everything to the basic variants present in the Near East.

Iranian plateau herder and herder-farmer, warrior type, dominant progressive racial form, the Iranid type:


In Kurds being much more common among free, warlike Kurds with their animal husbandry rather than "village Kurds", which are more often mixed, had worse nutrition, often worked as tillers and dependent people.

The same category for the hotter lands, the deserts and Oasis, dominant progressive racial form, the Arabid type:


Civil service personell from Barak, note the typical avocations:


From left to right by occupation:
Railway, customs, police and military official.

By racial standards (after v. Eickstedt) pred.:
Alpino-Armenid, Alpinid, Mediterranid, Nordid

I mean in the early Bronze Age, if nothing went horribly wrong, who do you think was dominant? And now imagine not just one, but 100 of the same kind, hundred of the first, second, third or fourth variant - who would make it in a fight of free clans for ressources, wives and land?

Here again a harmonious herder-warrior breed, original Semitic type, progressive-dominant and refined form of the Arabid racial type:


In comparison to a Jewish Armenid (supposed to have Mediterranid admixture after L.F. Clauss, but only so because the head is somewhat longer, facial features are ultra-typical for the reduced Armenid):


Armenid from the Kurdish people:


In comparison to the progressive-dominant Iranid herder-warrior type (modern Kurdish fighter):


Needless to say that the general body and physique goes in the same direction, as can be seen in the Barak officials too.

[Truth Seeker]

Thanks agrippa. Do you have pictures of the skeletons and skulls from syria? Whats difference between arabid and mediterranid proper? It sounds like you agree with coon that armenoids are irano-afghan+alpine.

Why do people always add stupid titles to their classification threads?

"O MAI GOD DIS DUDE HAS 3% J HALPOGROUP!!!!!111111oneoneone SUM BUDY CALL DA INKWASITION!"

Why do people add stupid posts like you. Get a life you loser with no ethnic identity. What are you?

[Agrippa]

Thanks agrippa. Do you have pictures of the skeletons and skulls from syria?

Not at hands right now, but I can just say that I read about them in various works, with concrete description.

I can link a newer one posted on Dienekes page originally:

The first skeleton belonged to a man, 45/50 years old. It is extremely heavy and large. On the right humerus, near the proximal edge, we found two cuts. The healed edges of the wound suggest that the man from Terqa survived after the wound was inflicted. Many muscular attachments were clearly marked on the bones and bone robustness was far above the average, which may suggest that the skeleton belonged to a warrior. These observations correspond to the fact that the bronze part of a belt together with bronze weapon-blades was found on the right side of the hip.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/02...age-syria.html

You can imagine a robust boned Iranid from the region being close to this:



All related leptodolichomorphic Europoid forms:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...7&postcount=64

Here some Mesopotamian skulls for comparison (after O. Reche) - original culture bearers of the region:

Whats difference between arabid and mediterranid proper?

Primarily detail features. Like higher frequencies of large almond eyes, convex, arched nose, straight forehead profile even in males, "Semitic smile" and facial expression, deeper fossa canina, somewhat darker and more olive skinned, female sex more often obese etc.

On the skull the differences are much more limited (fossa canina is easier to recognise though...), pretty much like between robust Mediterranid and Nordid or Iranid.

It sounds like you agree with coon that armenoids are irano-afghan+alpine.

Well, not really, especially not in the way Coon postulated it. Because he said, just put a certain mixture together, and stable Taurids pop up - well, thats not true. The brachycephalic cranial shape might have been influenced in Taurids by Borreby-Cromagnoid or Alpinoid infusions, probably, but not necessarily, but the real cause for the shortening of the head was modification + selection. Its clearly the spread of a type which reproduced in its own terrain, as herders of the mountainous areas, more successfully than others.

The reduced Armenids on the other hand came in an area in which we can assume significant Alpinoid presense, but again, crucial was selection.

The Alpinisation trend itself is rather old, but its success story in most parts of the Alpinids current distribution very young, not older than Medieval times, similar for Baltisation and Dinarisation.

Those are processes caused by natural selection, adaptive trends in an environment which was harsh in a way which didnt favoured effectiveness over efficiency in the case of Alpinisation and Baltisation - Dinarisation was more complex and had an effective result in its own right.

Reduced Armenids are pretty much degenerated Taurid forms, this is absolutely evident if comparing them, in every regard, with the more progressive versions.

Like this Armenian f.e.:


From Georgia:


Just compare this mountain type with the reduced Armenid caricatures from above.

Or Individuals representing this, the reduced Armenid type predominantes, like in Kissinger:


Blankfein:


Knobloch:


Friedman:


Louis B. Mayer:

[Pallantides]

She is hideous.