Question to all New Worlders:Do you have colonial ancestry?

**SupaThug** · 03-01-2015, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Smaug

No. I am 100% working class immigrant paddy bastard. To hell with WASPS or its Brazilian version, the "Quatrocentões".

Even if they treated your ancestors bad,you'd probably not be here without them.

**Smaug** · 03-01-2015, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by LESM

Even if they treated your ancestors bad,you'd probably not be here without them.

Fuck it. Fuck them. They were/are an evil elite.

**SupaThug** · 03-01-2015, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Smaug

Fuck it. Fuck them. They were/are an evil elite.

Completly disagree.''Evil elites'' mentality goes completly against what I believe.Anyway,many succesful immigrant families married Quatrocentões,like the Matarazzo family,Marta Suplicy f.e descends from both,from Quatrocentões and from the Matarazzo family.Are the Matarazzo evil too?

HillY35 · 03-01-2015, 04:03 AM

The passage of time up to today would work to ensure that many, many New Worlders have colonial ancestry.

**SupaThug** · 03-01-2015, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by HillY35

The passage of time up to today would work to ensure that many, many New Worlders have colonial ancestry.

Yes,more NW of colonial ancestry are yet to vote

**Smaug** · 03-01-2015, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by LESM

Completly disagree.''Evil elites'' mentality goes completly against what I believe.Anyway,many succesful immigrant families married Quatrocentões,like the Matarazzo family,Marta Suplicy f.e descends from both,from Quatrocentões and from the Matarazzo family.Are the Matarazzo evil too?

No.

**SupaThug** · 03-01-2015, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by Smaug

No.

Hmm,so rich families of immigrant background are not evil,but the colonial ones are?Quatrocentões have strong ties to this land,they are like living piece of history.Not to mention that many important symbols of São Paulo's culture like Mário de Andrade and Cornélio Pires were quatrocentões.

**Smaug** · 03-01-2015, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by LESM

Hmm,so rich families of immigrant background are not evil,but the colonial ones are?Quatrocentões have strong ties to this land,they are like living piece of history.Not to mention that many important symbols of São Paulo's culture like Mário de Andrade and Cornélio Pires were quatrocentões.

Most were evil though.

**SupaThug** · 03-01-2015, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by Smaug

Most were evil though.

None of them were evil!They just had a slave-owner mentality,if you hate them because of this you'll sound like one of those patethic populists who hate people who descend from slave owners.And why the hell are the Quatrocentões evil and the Matarazzo not?Just because they are of immigrant backgorund?

**Smaug** · 03-01-2015, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by LESM

None of them were evil!They just had a slave-owner mentality,if you hate them because of this you'll sound like one of those patethic populists who hate people who descend from slave owners.And why the hell are the Quatrocentões evil and the Matarazzo not?Just because they are of immigrant backgorund?

They treated my ancestors like shite and I know some members of Quatrocentões families, mainly older generations, who still look down on immigrants and their descendants, specially Italians.