Greek relationship to r1b y-dna and indo-European language?

[Faklon]

The fact that I am American shouldn't matter. Sheesh. At least I'm smart enough not to generalize like you. That's like what feminazis say, men do this men do that. And you're saying Americans do this Americans do that. LOL. Not all men are the same and not all Americans are the same. I can say all Greeks are swarthy and annoying. It's not true though.

Excuse me,

I said
1."some" so I didn't generalize.
2.I speak for the Greek majority.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Excuse me,

I said
1."some" so I didn't generalize.
2.I speak for the Greek majority.

I'm talking about your Americunt comment. Really original by the way.

[Bloodnigger]

I'm talking about your Americunt comment. Really original by the way.

Amerikwan. Kwanzania. Kwastain. Kwanza. Kwanzistan.

Just on a random line of thought.

[McCauley]

Honestly, the two guys on the bottom look north african. The guy without the beard especially. Another steppe (not mycenean) reconstruction posted looked like a european-samoan mix with extra samoan. These people do not look european, at least modern. The other two I posted do somewhat more but still not by much. One look at their noses and cheekbones is enough. Hell, the noses only. They are miles above the nasal index table than anyone north of the mediterannean.
So that I'm not misunderstood: the guy on top left is the same one as the guy on the bottom right, correct?

Which brings me back to my original point. Only 1/4-5th of ancient greek ancestry comes from these guys. Angel Lawrence concurs with that as does the yamnaya study. These people were mostly r1b, carried mt-dna from eastern europe and were also quite swarthy, as per the more-than-hundred-strong steppe sample tested.

So if Greeks have about 20% R1b and you are saying that should correlate with the amount of Indo-European ancestry they have (1/4-5), does that mean that the Irish, British, and Spanish who are like 60% R1b, are a lot closer to the original Yamnas than anyone else in Europe?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

So if Greeks have about 20% R1b and you are saying that should correlate with the amount of Indo-European ancestry they have (1/4-5), does that mean that the Irish, British, and Spanish who are like 60% R1b, are a lot closer to the original Yamnas than anyone else in Europe?

It basically says celts came and murdered everyone in europe as soon as they discovered metal working, except some nordic slave wenches. If that were true it would probably make me masturbate furiously, but it's unlikely.

[Faklon]

So if Greeks have about 20% R1b and you are saying that should correlate with the amount of Indo-European ancestry they have (1/4-5), does that mean that the Irish, British, and Spanish who are like 60% R1b, are a lot closer to the original Yamnas than anyone else in Europe?

Well,for the R1b in Greece at least.

I0438 R1b-Z2103 U5a1a1 Luzhki, Samara 3021-2635 BCE
I0439 R1b-P297 U5a1a1 Lopatino, Samara 3305-2925 BCE

2 of them also seem to have Mycenaean-like mtdna.
Sounds a legit interpretation.

[Bloodnigger]

So if Greeks have about 20% R1b and you are saying that should correlate with the amount of Indo-European ancestry they have (1/4-5), does that mean that the Irish, British, and Spanish who are like 60% R1b, are a lot closer to the original Yamnas than anyone else in Europe?

Of course. What you say is true and it was pointed out in the yamnaya-to-modern-populations sample. Though clades and what-not have also to be taken into consideration, but this seems very close for various R1 clades.

[Bloodnigger]

For the spanish one also has to take into consideration that by the time the IE groups reached there they were considerably reduced by picking up admixture along the way (ANE also points to that). In the much more strongly populated south of europe they would also be unable to make such a big impact as in the north.

[McCauley]

It basically says celts came and murdered everyone in europe as soon as they discovered metal working, except some nordic slave wenches. If that were true it would probably make me masturbate furiously, but it's unlikely.

I already came, bro

[Bloodnigger]

For the spanish one also has to take into consideration that by the time the IE groups reached there they were considerably reduced by picking up admixture along the way (ANE also points to that). In the much more strongly populated south of europe they would also be unable to make such a big impact as in the north.

Of course. What you say is true and it was pointed out in the yamnaya-to-modern-populations sample. Though clades and what-not have also to be taken into consideration, but this seems very close for various R1 clades.

Just to clarify, the above results and study were in the recent Yamna presentation and can be found both on Dienekes and Eurogenes, either in the comments section or the headtitle. Someone also posted them on TA, I think.