Fantasy Scenario: If Russia was Hellbent on European Domination

[Eldritch]

If they really felt like taking out sakasak whatever his name is they could of done it easily.

Somehow this opening sentence does not fill me with confidence about your expertise on this matter.

[spearofperun]

Seriously, you people need to start reading Jane's Defence and follow military budgets etc. Russian army 2010 is not Soviet Union's army 1950. Russia relies heavily to her nukes. Rest of equipment is (with few exceptions) old Soviet produced stuff which by modern standards is crap. There has been programs to modernify the equipment but due to massive corruption it has failed thus far. Russia can not even produce much of the equipment by herself nowadays, at the moment they want to buy Mistral warships from France.

There is no way modern Russian army could take over Europe, simply impossible.

so an army is going to tell you what type of weapons they have???? yeah and the new migs and ICBMs they are coming out is nothing??? not to mention they have one of the largest armies, number of tanks, planes, nuclear subs out of anyone in the world?? You finns are quite funny still think you could do anything if they invaded well lets look at it this way youve gone from military disasters lead by russians which ive shown you nato's failed to outdated equipment when theyre gonna modernize the whole army by 2012 you seem to be jumping all over the place mr. finn

[Hweinlant]

so an army is going to tell you what type of weapons they have???? yeah and the new migs and ICBMs they are coming out is nothing??? not to mention they have one of the largest armies, number of tanks, planes, nuclear subs out of anyone in the world?? You finns are quite funny still think you could do anything if they invaded well lets look at it this way youve gone from military disasters lead by russians which ive shown you nato's failed to outdated equipment when theyre gonna modernize the whole army by 2012 you seem to be jumping all over the place mr. finn

Rotflmao

You really know nothing about the topic. Besides what the hell has Finland to do with this ? Did you bother to read OP ?

And yes, armies do tell about their equipments and what they plan to purchase etc. Military budgets etc are not exactly secrets either.



It's better if you Serbs start to adapt to reality. Russia's military is not what it used to be. France and UK both have larger military spending than Russia. Russia dont have enough money to modernise her army. Neither she has the will. There is plan to modernise 30% of army due 2015. I doubt it will work either.

Like I said, these strange Serbian dreams of Russia annihilating Europe are plain stupid. Not possible.

[Svanhild]

If it went onto Germany, I believe Russia would easily defeat them because the German armed forces are tiny... they only have around 200 to 300 thousand troops (active and reserve).

That's stark misjudgement. The rule that counts is quality > quantity. German forces have the most modern jets, the most modern panzers and modern marine and infantry equipment. High Tech airborne surveillance systems complete the inventory. Never forget the home advantage and our fighting spirit. Germany is a country of forests and hills. We could guerilla everyone for a long time.

Belarus and Ukraine could easily take Germany on with the arms they got.

Your wish was father to the thought. But I forgive you, it's in your blood.

Polish politicians and media in summer of 1939: "Poland could easily take Germany on with the arms we got. The rest is history.

[Jarl]

Yet they couldnt take out Saakashvili. If they cant handle Georgia, how the hell are they supposed to take on Europe ?

I think this fantasy scenario is largely busted.

Why should they? Georgia is their doman. They have shit loads of their own people there. This was not a real military confilct don't you understand? All they wanted is to show their teeth and the world clearly got the message. If this was war they would do what they did in Chechenya. You know how Dudayev ended.

Rest of equipment is (with few exceptions) old Soviet produced stuff which by modern standards is crap.

Yes. Particularly the nuclear submarines and MiGs 29 or Su 27 that outperform most of corresponding NATO fighters/interceptors. Are you serious Hweinlant?

Your wish was father to the thought. But I forgive you, it's in your blood.

Polish politicians and media in summer of 1939: "Poland could easily take Germany on with the arms we got. The rest is history.

You don't need to forgive me or bring Poland into it. Just compare Ukrainian military to German. What would the old German Phantoms or Tornados do against fresh Ukrainian Su 27 or Mig 29? Not much. And they won't do much until Germany gets her 100 or so Eurofighters.

[Eldritch]

you finns are quite funny still think you could do anything if they invaded well lets look at it this way youve gone from military disasters lead by russians which ive shown you nato's failed to outdated equipment when theyre gonna modernize the whole army by 2012 you seem to be jumping all over the place mr. finn

soviet union invaded in 1939 and could not take over since then finnish army's only got better and stronger while after the cold war russia's army is rusting to the ground so there

[hajduk]

Russia is able to smash any European country.

[Hweinlant]

Yes. Particularly the nuclear submarines and MiGs 29 or Su 27 that outperform most of corresponding NATO fighters/interceptors. Are you serious Hweinlant?

There are few exceptions, I said that allready. Migs are not outperforming new modified Hornets but they are still pretty good. To your list I would add S-400 missile systems. That however does not change the fact that Russia's military is very much, hopelessly outdated. It's not going to be the level of NATO anytime soon, likely never. 4/5 of worlds military spending is from Europe and USA. USA obviously beeing within their own league.

[spearofperun]

Rotflmao

You really know nothing about the topic. Besides what the hell has Finland to do with this ? Did you bother to read OP ?

And yes, armies do tell about their equipments and what they plan to purchase etc. Military budgets etc are not exactly secrets either.



It's better if you Serbs start to adapt to reality. Russia's military is not what it used to be. France and UK both have larger military spending than Russia. Russia dont have enough money to modernise her army. Neither she has the will. There is plan to modernise 30% of army due 2015. I doubt it will work either.

Like I said, these strange Serbian dreams of Russia annihilating Europe are plain stupid. Not possible.

what the hell are you talking about now youve now brought military spending into this???? Look Russia has the world's second most powerful army if conventional weapons are only taken into account. only people who outgun them here is the US. Without the US NATO is nothing. Now if we bring WMDs into this Russia and US are even as both have enough to kill all life on earth several times over. So I will be going back to my original question what shit do you smoke in finland?????

[spearofperun]

soviet union invaded in 1939 and could not take over since then finnish army's only got better and stronger while after the cold war russia's army is rusting to the ground so there

that was more so of a soviet military disaster than it was a finnish success. why dont you try that again??