Classify some spaniard football players

[Falkata]

They are in the current national team

Pedrito (Canary Islands)




Pique (catalonia)




Llorente (Navarra, castillian surnames)




Torres (Madrid, castillian and galician ancestry)



Cesc Fabregas (Catalonia)




Iker Casillas (Madrid)






Ok, enough for now

[Stefan]

They are in the current national team
Pedrito (Canary Islands)

Predominately Cromagnid, approaching some kind of "dark Faelid", and somewhat altered by Mediterranid. How common is Guanche ancestry in the modern Canary Islander? I think he would be a good representation of what phenotype may have been common among them regardless.

Pique (catalonia)

I'm thinking some kind of Atlanto-Nordid + Alpinid intermediate.

Llorente (Navarra, castillian surnames)

Cromagnid(probably similar to Paleo-Atlantid types) + Atlanto-Nordid.

Torres (Madrid, castillian and galician ancestry)

Atlanto-Med mostly, nothing else seems too evident.

Cesc Fabregas (Catalonia)

Also mostly Atlanto-Med, but there is a robustness present that isn't there in Torres. I think maybe some Berid influence, probably most evident in the zygomatics and brow ridges.

Iker Casillas (Madrid)

Somewhat Alpinized Cromagnid with possible Mediterranid influences. Very low facial length and high breadth I'm thinking based off of this picture.

[Agrippa]

1. Pred. Gracilmediterranid, height fits too, which is just 169 cm:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_R...ADguez_Ledesma

2. Nordid with Alpinoid.

3. Nordid with Cromagnid influences.

4. Atlantid/Atlantomediterranid with Cromagnid influences.

5. Between Atlanto- and Gracilmediterranid, basic Mediterranid (height 175 cm).

6. Southern Cromagnid/Palaeatlantid-Berid-Berberid - like + Atlantomediterranid influences (especially profile!)

[Falkata]

Predominately Cromagnid, approaching some kind of "dark Faelid", and somewhat altered by Mediterranid. How common is Guanche ancestry in the modern Canary Islander? I think he would be a good representation of what phenotype may have been common among them regardless.

Guanche ancestry comes mostly from the maternal line, and it´s more common than people expected i think. Some canarians have an exotic look, like this guy


Pedrito´s features aren´t too exotic, but his pigmentation is very dark, actually he is the darkest player of the national team .

Some info about canary islands genetics

"A 2003 genetics research article by Nicole Maca-Meyer et al. published in the European Journal of Human Genetics compared aboriginal Guanche mtDNA (collected from Canarian archaeological sites) to that of today's Canarians and concluded that, "despite the continuous changes suffered by the population (Spanish colonisation, slave trade), aboriginal mtDNA [direct maternal] lineages constitute a considerable proportion [42 – 73%] of the Canarian gene pool. Although the Berbers are the most probable ancestors of the Guanches, it is deduced that important human movements [e.g., the Islamic-Arabic conquest of the Berbers] have reshaped Northwest Africa after the migratory wave to the Canary Islands" and the "results support, from a maternal perspective, the supposition that since the end of the 16th century, at least, two-thirds of the Canarian population had an indigenous substrate, as was previously inferred from historical and anthropological data."[8] mtDNA haplogroup U subclade U6b1 is Canarian-specific[12] and is the most common mtDNA haplogroup found in aboriginal Guanche archaeological burial sites.[8]
Y-DNA, or Y-chromosomal, (direct paternal) lineages were not analyzed in this study; however, an earlier study giving the aboriginal y-DNA contribution at 6% was cited by Maca-Meyer et al., but the results were criticized as possibly flawed due to the widespread phylogeography of y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b1b, which may skew determination of the aboriginality versus coloniality of contemporary y-DNA lineages in the Canaries. Regardless, Maca-Meyer et al. states that historical evidence does support the explanation of "strong sexual asymmetry...as a result of a strong bias favoring matings between European males and aboriginal females, and to the important aboriginal male mortality during the Conquest."[13] The genetics thus suggests the native men were sharply reduced in numbers due to the war, large numbers of Spaniard men stayed in the islands and married the local women, the Canarians adopted Spanish names, language, and religion, and in this way, the Canarians were Hispanicized.
According to a 2005 study, in spite of the geographic nearness between the Canary Islands and Morocco, the genetic heritage of the Canary islands male lineages, is mainly from European origin. Indeed, nearly 72% of the haplogroups resulting from are Euro–Eurasian (R1a, R1b, I and G). Unsurprisingly the Spanish conquest brought the genetic base of the current male population of the Canary Islands. Nevertheless, the second most important Haplogroup family is from Africa, Near and Middle East. E1b1b (12% including 7% of the typically berber haplogroup E-M81), E1b1a (2%), J (10%) and T (3%) Haplogroups are present at a rate of 27%. Even if a part of these "eastern" haplogroups were introduced by the Spanish too, we can suppose that a good portion of this rate was already there at the time of the conquest[14][15]."

[antonio]

There's nothing much to add. Just to confirm all of your hypotheses, object some pictures, and add little additional relevant historical data.

1) Pedrito (Canary Islands) I agree. Slighty exotical (strongly Mediterranean) features on many Canarians are clearly a consequence of the Guanche precastillian population. Even the theory about a complete male ethnic cleansing on them it's hard to believe.

2) Pique (catalonia). Catalonia (and Aragon) constituted the subpirenaical barrier of Frank kingdom against Moors. For not to talk about the almost continuous stream of tribes crossing Pirinees at prehistorical times.

3) Llorente is not SouthNavarrese, but Riojan. Anycase both are well known Celtiberic (that is: Preceltic) lands.

4) Torres (Madrid, castillian and galician ancestry) Well, there are pictures where his Nordic features show up more clearly, but it's not neccesary.

5) Cesc Fabregas (Catalonia) Maybe (same case as Pedrito) predominates on him the Preindoeuropean (Iberic at this case) features not the Gaulish or Germanic originated ones.

6) Iker Casillas (Madrid). From NorthCastilian province of Avila: another well-known Celtiberian land. Like Torres they were clearer pictures, but I think it OK with current ones.


Ps. Nice job, Falkata!