Montenegrin Serb connection.

[alb0zfinest]

I was reading several sources in regards to the connection between Serbs and Montenegrins, I am asking for sources that state that Montenegrins and Serbs are essentially the same people (ALL types of sources are welcome, whether Serbian, montenegrin, western etc) so that i could understand this connection better.
THIS IS NOT A DEBATE. Your sources are welcomed and appreciated.

[Shqipez]

Montenigrin Slavs are a mix of Slavs and Albos.

Add to the fact that they have allot in common with North-Albanians/Gegs.

Source: Me.

[alb0zfinest]

Montenigrin Slavs are a mix of Slavs and Albos.

Add to the fact that they have allot in common with North-Albanians/Gegs.

Source: Me.

Nice source,

[Skerdilaid]

They are genetically partially Slavs but with Vlah and Albanian influence, only the Southern part or the Brda Clans fall into the later category because of their common ancestry with North Albanian Clans. As for their identity, since history can remember them as such, they have identified as South Slavs or Serbs, because they are linguistically so. Overall actually they are not too different from Serbs in general, expect that Serbs have absorbed the low land indigenous populations, while in the case of Montenegrins, they have absorbed more Highlander Vlahs and Albanians, and are also more culturally akin to those both groups.

Source, me

[alb0zfinest]

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[Ballist]

They are simply Serbicized Albanians. Some of them even know their surnames from centuries back.

Source: my wise father.

[Kabul]

Montenegrin school textbooks said that Montenegrins are Serbs up until SFR Yugoslavia times. Source: Me, Myself, and I

But, of course, Montenegrins also have significant Albanian admixture, as hinted by cultural similarities (clans, some Slavicized Albanian names Montenegrins have, etc...).

However, they are for the most part, at least in self-identification, Serbs.

[Shqipez]

Montenegrin school textbooks said that Montenegrins are Serbs up until SFR Yugoslavia times. Source: Me, Myself, and I

That demonstrates Montenigrin isn't really an ethnicity, but rather a country where Slavs and Albanians live. They (Montenigrin Serbs) created their own identity by calling themselves montenigrins, kind of like the macedonian-bulgarians who before were really just bulgarians but created their own identity and their own country called macedonia, in that same country you have Albanians living there too, indigenous people in both lands.

[Kabul]

That demonstrates Montenigrin isn't really an ethnicity, but rather a country where Slavs and Albanians live. They (Montenigrin Serbs) created their own identity by calling themselves montenigrins, kind of like the macedonian-bulgarians who before were really just bulgarians but created their own identity and their own country called macedonia, in that same country you have Albanians living there too, indigenous people in both lands.

They're different circumstances; Montenegrins developed an identity when Montenegro gained independence from the Ottomans in the 16th century, a whole 3 centuries before Serbia, and stayed independent until the end of the first world war. A Montenegrin identity developed naturally, while the Macedonian identity was something that was forced on the Bulgarians of the region. Both the Kingdom of Serbia (and later on the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, and after that, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) and the Kingdom of Greece enforced a separate Macedonian identity for the Bulgarians of the region, and forced it upon the Bulgarians who lived on the territory occupied by the 2 kingdoms. This was done in order to divide their enemies the Bulgarians, and any Bulgarian in Vardar Macedonia who refused to forsake his Bulgarian identity during Yugoslav times was persecuted by the Yugoslav government. The way I see things, Montenegrins naturally developed their identity by themselves, while Macedonians unnaturally had their identity forced upon them by foreigners.

[Shqipez]

They're different circumstances; Montenegrins developed an identity when Montenegro gained independence from the Ottomans in the 16th century, a whole 3 centuries before Serbia, and stayed independent until the end of the first world war. A Montenegrin identity developed naturally, while the Macedonian identity was something that was forced on the Bulgarians of the region. Both the Kingdom of Serbia (and later on the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, and after that, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) and the Kingdom of Greece enforced a separate Macedonian identity for the Bulgarians of the region, and forced it upon the Bulgarians who lived on the territory occupied by the 2 kingdoms. This was done in order to divide their enemies the Bulgarians, and any Bulgarian in Vardar Macedonia who refused to forsake his Bulgarian identity during Yugoslav times was persecuted by the Yugoslav government. The way I see things, Montenegrins naturally developed their identity by themselves, while Macedonians unnaturally had their identity forced upon them by foreigners.

Yes, but the fact that Montenigrins developed an identity by themselves shows that they must be admixed genetically and culturally, I might think wrong here, but for a self identification to happen and take apart from another people there must be some differences too. I think allot of montenigrin culture is mixed with albo and Serb, same with Macedonian. I still think it's unfair how Macedonian slavs are called ''Macedonians'' and Montenigrin slavs are called Montenigrins, while when people refer to Albanians living in htese areas they talk like Albanians are the immigrants or call them ''Albanian macedonians'' or ''montenigrin Albanians''

It's honestly a joke.