Ancient Clade of an Ancient Haplogroup

[Stefan_Dusan]

This is a bit old news, but since it happened while I was away I'll post it here as a form of bragging.

The Armenian Project along with the I2c project upgraded me to a "Big Y" sequencing, the results were pretty much gibberish to me, but a certain genetics celebrity at least on these boards took interest, Ken Nordtvedt [who is famous for his paper on why I2a2b was more recent and linked to slavic settlers] began emailing me, anyways our email correspondence:

You are in the main population with Korestky and Sacchini of DYS393=14 L596 You three along with Kaki show 87 novel variants which the other L596 people do not have.

This means that 393=14 clade has its common ancestor with the other L596 probably more than 9000 years ago. So you are indeed of an ancient clade.

Saki shows 33 snps that you other three do not have. This means that his common ancestor with you three probably occurred 3500 or more years prior to the common ancestor of you three.

There is an unusual number of novel variants which only you and Saki have. I don’t understand them yet.

Koretsky is a Jew from Eastern Europe. Sacchini is an Italian from central Italy somewhere. Kaki is a Georgian, from the Kavkaz and a descendent of the ruling Georgian family.

By "Saki" I assume he misspeled Kaki and didn't mean Sacchini though I didn't ask him to clarify. I did ask him to clarify "ancient clade" and his response in a following email:

“Ancient” clade was meant to mean a clade whose ancestral line leaves rest of the tree very far back in time.

Anyways, my results are now being poured over by Nordtvedt, along with those others, and might be a feature of a new paper.

It's interesting because of my paternal line being tied to everything from Kosovo, to Albania, to Greece now could be a "missing step" between I2c in Europe and the Kavkaz.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

To me it's kinda funny, we have family legends of how 'old' we are, and 'older' than our neighbors. Up to this point, it was mostly unverifiable, and empty posting on my part. But now I have science on my end.

Sometimes these village tales turn out to have some basis in reality.

Probably no one here cares too much, it's my line afterall, and not any of yours. But to me, there is beauty in verifying what an illiterate forefather of mine says, with that of an esteemed geneticist.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Awesome stuff. Now you need to set up a taxation system on your neighbors.

Can't stop watching your sig pic. That's messed up.