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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    Biological devolution is the result of excessive breeding of 'inferior' traits, such as low intelligence or ugliness for example. Let's say people are given a reward $100000 for breeding with low IQ people (and they are in the US, in the form of welfare handouts). So more & more people beget low IQ children. A national eventually fills with low IQ people. Let's presume further that this nation collapses and a huge segment of the population dies off.

    That is devolution. It could have been stopped. It could have been prevented. But there were forces at work which went into the process, such as paying people and rewarding the breeding of stupidity.


    You can use any biological trait you like. Strength. Wealth. Beauty. Aggression. Passivity. Etc.

    Evolution is scientific in this context. Not every human group or person will be "better" for reproducing. It's either better or worse. Superior breeding leads to superior people, over time. And this superiority and bettering, is defined through universally recognized trait.

    Beauty is easiest to see and identify. It's obvious that beauty is a positive result and reward for superior breeding, hence beauty is a conclusion, an end result, an objective, of evolution.


    And it's applicable to call this "intelligent design" even. Because parents 'design' their children in a way that directly corresponds to mating habits.

    If a group of people only have sex with beautiful people then this group will become more beautiful over time, and create human separation.
    If a group of people whom i assume are intelligent breed with the less intelligent then their offspring will balance out, inherit both genes. That's not necessarily devolution. And if smart people die off, that isnt devolution either because that's outside the scope of biological inheritance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder_shock View Post
    If a group of people whom i assume are intelligent breed with the less intelligent then their offspring will balance out, inherit both genes. That's not necessarily devolution. And if smart people die off, that isnt devolution either because that's outside the scope of biological inheritance.
    If intelligence is biological and genetic then it would be the most important value to reproduce.

    Like begets like.

    The details get confused when intelligence breeds with unintelligence, strength with weakness, wealth with poverty, etc.

    Just like males and females withhold different traits and values. Are men smarter and more intelligent than women, on average? Stronger on average? Wealthier on average? Are women more beautiful on average? Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journeyman26 View Post
    Agreed. Whoever passes on the most genes to the next generation is the most fit according to Darwinian evolution, regardless of how favorably we see the traits they pass on. Evolution and devolution are subjective.
    I agree as well, but it's favorable to pass the most genes only because it polarizes even more the next generation so it gets easier for selection. You have to put pressure on this diversity, otherwise you just end up disturbing the previously, painfully selected genes. It's like reversing the process without the benefits, in our subjective positive view of it (evolution doesn't give a damn if it makes anything "better")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    The reality is you have no free will, all your actions are predestined, and the story is already written, even if you don't know it. You have no control, evolution will/will not happen regardless of what you think are your desires, and you will die, and so will everyone else, and it won't matter anyway.
    Typically the most fit reproduce the most, which affirms their place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    If intelligence is biological and genetic then it would be the most important value to reproduce.
    Yes, but on the subject of evolution/devolution a species is not devolving if it's offspring does not end up with the best selection of genes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    You have free will
    Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    Explain how. Use science or religion, idc.
    Who is rich? He who is happy with what he has - Simeon ben Zoma, Ethics of the Fathers, Talmud, Avot 4:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    Biological devolution is the result of excessive breeding of 'inferior' traits, such as low intelligence or ugliness for example. Let's say people are given a reward $100000 for breeding with low IQ people (and they are in the US, in the form of welfare handouts). So more & more people beget low IQ children. A national eventually fills with low IQ people. Let's presume further that this nation collapses and a huge segment of the population dies off.

    That is devolution. It could have been stopped. It could have been prevented. But there were forces at work which went into the process, such as paying people and rewarding the breeding of stupidity.
    Who came up with this non-sense peudo-science, or better yet, oxymoron?

    You can use any biological trait you like. Strength. Wealth. Beauty. Aggression. Passivity. Etc.

    Evolution is scientific in this context. Not every human group or person will be "better" for reproducing. It's either better or worse. Superior breeding leads to superior people, over time. And this superiority and bettering, is defined through universally recognized trait.
    Beauty is easiest to see and identify. It's obvious that beauty is a positive result and reward for superior breeding, hence beauty is a conclusion, an end result, an objective, of evolution.
    And it's applicable to call this "intelligent design" even. Because parents 'design' their children in a way that directly corresponds to mating habits.
    If a group of people only have sex with beautiful people then this group will become more beautiful over time, and create human separation.
    Beauty is subjective and it is also dictated by social constructs and it can change over time. There is not a "beauty" gene in the DNA pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    Explain how. Use science or religion, idc.
    You are responsible for yourself, thus you necessarily must have free will.

    No free will = no self responsibility.




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    Beauty is subjective
    Beauty is objective.


    Quote Originally Posted by dude View Post
    There is not a "beauty" gene in the DNA pool.
    lol yes, there are many, some people are more beautiful than others:

    Exhibit A: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...European-Women

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