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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    You are responsible for yourself, thus you necessarily must have free will.

    No free will = no self responsibility.
    That's not an argument. You also haven't proved 'you are responsible for yourself.' Try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    That's not an argument. You also haven't proved 'you are responsible for yourself.' Try again.
    So you imply that you're not responsible for yourself? Who is responsible for you then? Who do you hand your personal autonomy over to? The state? Your parents, perhaps? Are you still a child, or an adult? Boy, or man?

    The difference between a child and an adult is that an adult begins to bear the burden of personal responsibility (authority/autonomy/free will).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    So you imply that you're not responsible for yourself? Who is responsible for you then? Who do you hand your personal autonomy over to? The state? Your parents, perhaps? Are you still a child, or an adult? Boy, or man?

    The difference between a child and an adult is that an adult begins to bear the burden of personal responsibility (authority/autonomy/free will).
    So children don't have free will? Cool, good argumentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    You are responsible for yourself, thus you necessarily must have free will.

    No free will = no self responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    So children don't have free will? Cool, good argumentation.
    Do infants have free will?

    Free will is the measure of responsibility and morality. Arguably "soulless" creatures and inanimate objects lack free will. Free will is indication, evidence, or proof of spirit/soul. The most popular term of this concept is Autonomy or "self-law".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude View Post
    Your statement definitively did not come from the high end.
    Nice ad hom/insult.

    Try logical counter-arguments and responses instead. I'm comfortable with my intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    Do infants have free will?

    Free will is the measure of responsibility and morality. Arguably "soulless" creatures and inanimate objects lack free will. Free will is indication, evidence, or proof of spirit/soul. The most popular term of this concept is Autonomy or "self-law".
    This is a very flimsy argument. We don't have free will. We can only act one way in any given situation, and the same is true for all objects, animate or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    This is a very flimsy argument. We don't have free will. We can only act one way in any given situation, and the same is true for all objects, animate or not.
    I didn't say "we".

    I said you have free will, you personally. I'm certain as a police cadet you learned to become responsible for the safety of others? That indicates at least some small degree of free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    I didn't say "we".

    I said you have free will, you personally. I'm certain as a police cadet you learned to become responsible for the safety of others? That indicates at least some small degree of free will.
    I know, but I specified 'we.' To include all things.

    It appears that we have free will, but we don't. My brain being as it is, I could only have reacted in the way I did to my training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    Nice ad hom/insult.
    Try logical counter-arguments and responses instead. I'm comfortable with my intelligence.
    How about using it then and posting intelligent arguments rather than simply being contradictory and argumentative. There is not any specific gene for beauty, there are traits that you or someone else may find attractive, yet attractiveness is ultimately decided by the individual. This is common knowledge and not my opinion. I understand your personal opinion is that you prefer White women, well, I do too, yet that does not mean that what I like, or you like is the best for everyone, nor does it determine if that is the best for the survival of the species. The claim that what I prefer is "the best" is clearly a egocentric statement and that alone discard it as a logical argument.
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