Celts and Celtophiles - An Essay by G. K. Chesterton

[Murphy]

Men like Chesterton set the foundations for what we are experiencing today.

.. I think that may be one of the most insulting things I have ever had the misfortune of reading on the internet in my life. Have you even read the works of Mr Chesterton, discounting this one article?

Heretics, Orthodoxy, The Everlasting Man, The Man Who Was Thursday?

The man along with men like Belloc were are the forefront of warning what would happen to our society if it kept going the way it was. And you are foolish enough to blame it on Chesterton and others like him?

One of the finest Catholic mind of the 20th century..

[Bridie]

Justify this statement, please.

LOL!

Yes Sir!! But it will have to be tommorrow, I'm off to bed now. Honestly, I think I explained my position pretty well in my critique above. Maybe you should read it again and then tell me if you still feel the need to hear further explanations.



EDIT - you edited your post. Well, I think both you and Jon Paul are being blinded by your faith. A common enough mistake. People often only see what they want to see....

I remain critical of everything and everyone. I like to live life with my eyes open.

[Murphy]

Mr Chesterton firmly opposed industrialisation, materialism, collectivism, usury.. gah, name it! The current state of our society is the product of unchecked capitalist competition. Big businesses importing mass amounts of slave labour from around the world. Mr Chesterton would have been opposed to this down to his very soul.

How can you critique Chesterton for his positions when you obviously know very little about them? If you are stupid enough to believe that ethnic-exchange and assimilation never happened as a natural process, you are a fool. Chesterton speaks well of the natural occurance but would have been outraged beyond words, tell a lie the man had words for everything, at the false and artificial human movement we are facing today.

[Bridie]

Mr Chesterton firmly opposed industrialisation, materialism, collectivism, usury.. gah, name it! The current state of our society is the product of unchecked capitalist competition. Big businesses importing mass amounts of slave labour from around the world. Mr Chesterton would have been opposed to this down to his very soul.

I was critiquing the essay, Jon. No one is above criticism.

How can you critique Chesterton for his positions when you obviously know very little about him?

Again, you think some people's positions or words are above critique due to other convictions they may advocate.

If you are stupid enough to believe that ethnic-exchange and assimilation never happened as a natural process, you are a fool.

Put a cork in it Jon. Ratzinger wouldn't approve of your spite.

Chesterton speaks well of the natural occurance but would have been be outraged beyond words, tell a lie the man had words for everything, at the false and artificial human movement we are facing today.

I'll deal with you tomorrow.

[Murphy]

Ratzinger wouldn't approve of your spite.
[. . .]
I'll deal with you tomorrow.

Don't bother, I don't have time for pseudo-Catholics ..

[Curtis24]

I wouldn't go so far as to say race is a non-factor but its not the only factor and in most cases not the most important one. The Celts were basically the same race as the Anglo-Saxons, so that eliminates race as an inssue in Ireland's poverty.

. Historically, the English did systematically and intensively try to prevent the Irish from acquiring wealth. Most likely and ironically because Ireland's geography was so similar to Britain's; the English feared Ireland becoming a naval power like themselves.

[Osweo]

Historically, the English did systematically and intensively try to prevent the Irish from acquiring wealth. Most likely and ironically because Ireland's geography was so similar to Britain's; the English feared Ireland becoming a naval power like themselves.

That was quite impossible in most of the period in question. Gaelic society had a chronic decentralisation problem. This could not be solved except by the total dismantling of the old devolved sub-kingship idea. And it took foreign rule to achieve that. Irish High Kings who came close to forging a centralised European kingdom were always foiled by a resurgence of the splintering tendency. Sadly too, the Church foiled a few attempts in this direction, notably in the opposition met by Diarmait mac Cherbaill from St Rhodanus et al...

The potential danger from Ireland, was that if England didn't fill the power vacuum, a Continental Power would. Unfortunate for the Irish, but inevitable.

Perhaps had the Romans invaded, there would have been less relic ideas from the Iron Age, and more of an example of national unity. But this is all academic...

[Curtis24]

I guess I stand corrected. However, the basic point - that Ireland's geopolitical potential is the cause of their poverty - is still correct...

[Albion]

Celts:

[Caismeachd]

Yeah, blame the English for everything. We actually brought prosperity to the Irish and Scots. Look at their positions today - Ireland, independent and going the same way as Greece, and Scotland, being heavily subsidised by English taxpayers.

Ireland still enjoyed a higher quality of life and has much more efficient infrastructure than UK. They'll rebound without any help from England.

Scotland would be better off without England.