Abortion?.

[Beorn]

WARNING: SEXUALLY EXPLICIT AND DISTURBING SCENES.

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Pro-Life and proud of it.

I make a habit of telling women exactly what I think of them going through abortions, and more people should throw down the stigma of being socially polite and do the same.

My partner and I had an acquaintance from a few years back who had one child from an Asian guy and was having another one. She was living in a homeless hostel and was still flaunting her wares to all the men.

She caught a STD and, although being warned by medical advisor's to treat the STD, did not do so and the child eventually died and aborted.

I swear I could have launched that w***e right through the top window of the hostel and happily served a sentence.

[Beorn]

Just found an interesting, yet disturbing, video series on YouTube.

Again, I advise caution for the contents. Some disturbing scenes.

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Dr. Bernard Nathanson's classic video that shocked the world. He explains the procedure of a suction abortion, followed by an actual first trimester abortion as seen through ultrasound. The viewer can see the child's pathetic attempts to escape the suction curette as her heart rate doubles, and a "silent scream" as her body is torn apart. A great tool to help people see why abortion is murder. The most important video on abortion ever made. This video changed opinion on abortion to many people.

Introduction by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, host. Describes the technology of ultrasound and how, for the first time ever, we can actually see inside the womb. Dr. Nathanson further describes the ultrasound technique and shows examples of babies in the womb. Three-dimensional depiction of the developing fetus, from 4 weeks through 28 weeks. Display and usage of the abortionists' tools, plus video of an abortionist performing a suction abortion. Dr. Nathanson discusses the abortionist who agreed to allow this abortion to be filmed with ultrasound. The abortionist was quite skilled, having performed more than 10,000 abortions. We discover that the resulting ultrasound of his abortion so appalled him that he never again performed another abortion. The clip begins with an ultrasound of the fetus (girl) who is about to be aborted. The girl is moving in the womb; displays a heartbeat of 140 per minute; and is at times sucking her thumb. As the abortionist's suction tip begins to invade the womb, the child rears and moves violently in an attempt to avoid the instrument. Her mouth is visibly open in a "silent scream." The child's heart rate speeds up dramatically (to 200 beats per minute) as she senses aggression. She moves violently away in a pathetic attempt to escape the instrument. The abortionist's suction tip begins to rip the baby's limbs from its body, ultimately leaving only her head in the uterus (too large to be pulled from the uterus in one piece). The abortionist attempts to crush her head with his forceps, allowing it to be removed. In an effort to "dehumanize" the procedure, the abortionist and anesthesiologist refer to the baby's head as "number 1." The abortionist crushes "number 1" with the forceps and removes it from the uterus. Abortion statistics are revealed, as well as who benefits from the enormously lucrative industry that has developed. Clinics are now franchised, and there is ample evidence that many are controlled by organized crime. Women are victims, too. They haven't been told about the true nature of the unborn child or the facts about abortion procedures. Their wombs have been perforated, infected, destroyed, and sterilized. All as a result of an operation about which they they have had no true knowledge. Films like this must be made part of "informed consent." NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League) and Planned Parenthood are accused of a conspiracy of silence, of keeping women in the dark about the reality of abortion. Finally, Dr. Nathanson discusses his credentials. He is a former abortionist, having been the director of the largest clinic in the Western world.

[Pino]

WARNING: SEXUALLY EXPLICIT AND DISTURBING SCENES.

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Pro-Life and proud of it.

I make a habit of telling women exactly what I think of them going through abortions, and more people should throw down the stigma of being socially polite and do the same.

My partner and I had an acquaintance from a few years back who had one child from an Asian guy and was having another one. She was living in a homeless hostel and was still flaunting her wares to all the men.

She caught a STD and, although being warned by medical advisor's to treat the STD, did not do so and the child eventually died and aborted.

I swear I could have launched that w***e right through the top window of the hostel and happily served a sentence.

That video is out right murder, are doctors allowed to refuse to partake in Abortions? Screw the job if I was a doctor they are supposed to save people not kill people!

That poor helpless baby, probably will be put in the trash now simply because the Mother felt like she had better things to do than grant her own flesh and blood with the gift of life.

[Beorn]

That poor helpless baby, probably will be put in the trash now

Was it me, or did the wrapping of the child seem more akin to the sentimentality you would see in a fish 'n chip shop?

Absolutely horrifying to think that this goes on daily.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Pro-choice. I don't think it's a good situation for a woman to be stuck raising a kid she doesn't want, and usually there are a lot of other problems there as well. Sort of a form of voluntary eugenics. It's one of the few forms of health care I'd make free to everyone. Maybe mandatory abortions in some cases, if you know the kid will be severely disabled, rape, etc.

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I really don't want our next generation being raised by these type of people.

[Psychonaut]

Pro life or Pro choice?.

I'm generally Pro-life, but I don't think it's a black and white issue. Life is a gradient on a fluid continuum, IMHO. I do not hold the view that the the life of an embryo is of the same order as a child, or that the life of a human born with half a brain is or the same order as a normal human. While I disagree with the act of abortion in general, I think that it is better for a fetus that is retarded or deformed to not be born at all. Such a child is a burden on the family and society, and is not at all able to fully participate in what it is to be human. That being said, since I view life as a gradient, I am far more opposed to late term abortions than I am to embryonic abortions. The later in the term the abortion happens, the more I am opposed to it.

If you're Pro-choice for Non Whites and Pro life for Whites in our society explain your views.

Ideally, I should not be concerned with their choices at all. I think that since abortion is such a divisive issue, it should be legislated at the lowest possible municipal level, thus allowing communities to decide what types of laws are best for them. Thus, it would not be any of my business what types of abortion laws black communities choose for themselves. I am not, in any sense, a moral absolutist.

If your particular religion influences your stance, why or how?.

In a way I suppose it does. Heathenry is not an either/or religion like those of Semitic origin are. Heathens seem much more likely to accept pluralistic and relativistic views of morality than do the followers of Semitic religions.

[YggsVinr]

I am pro-choice for a number of reasons. First of all, I tend to take the stance that the potential child is just that at the point of abortion: a potential child (sorry, but I often view videos attempting to point to the opposite conclusion as playing off of people's emotions rather than their reason at the thought of "killing an innocent".)

I also don't believe that abortion is necessarily a burden on society. When you make abortion illegal people will find other ways, they have done so for time immemorial (not at all a modern phenomenon). Not only this, but if these unwanted children being born due to the illegal nature of abortion are put into the system, they are equally, perhaps moreso, a burden to the system monetarily speaking. And to what end? To out procreate other races? I think the biggest emphasis should be on education, because without education numbers will mean absolutely nothing. We will be destined to repeat our mistakes if we are without education and the ability to analyze without the interference of emotion.

That said, I do not believe that pro-life and preservation go necessarily hand in hand, nor that pro-choice means anti-preservation. A few in the thread have spoken of "punishing" promiscuous women for their sexual choices and their mistakes. If preservation is really the concern here, then what good is done in bringing a child into the world who is raised in a dysfunctional home, in an orphanage, in foster care, or on the streets? If you are attempting to preserve the European people, it would be more worthwhile attempting to preserve the race and culture through raising children among aware and stable families. Bringing a child into the world in order to "punish" an adult or a teenager is not preservation. Its sentimentality, its non-purposive overzealousness, and its spiteful without real reason for spite. In a perfect society, perhaps such rules might be implemented for the good of preservation, but this far from being a perfect society, and implementing pro-life laws in our current society is irrational. I think we should separate our ideals from our current reality and what should be done with our current reality. We can sit here and say that each pregnant woman will be supervised so that she doesn't abandon her child or try to kill it. We can call for the implementation of all kinds of laws, but are these really realistic. I don't believe so. Let us deal with the present.

[Ajaxhan]

As a general rule, I'm against abortion. Unless the life of the mother would be in danger during child birth, I really cannot see any excuse for it. Even if the mother wouldn't have the means to provide for the child, she could at least provide it with foster parents who could. Choosing foster parents who are relatively close family would be preferable, in my opinion; but giving the child to any responsible family is better than killing it.

Even in cases of rape, I really don't understand why the mother couldn't at least give birth to the child and put it up for adoption.

I am not so sure where I stand on aborting in early embryonic stages. But, if it is known ahead of time that a pregnacy could be fatal for a mother, I believe that is the time the choice should be made.

So, for the most part, I would say that most of my views on the matter are pro-life.

[Psychonaut]

Even in cases of rape, I really don't understand why the mother couldn't at least give birth to the child and put it up for adoption.

This is one that I'd have to firmly disagree with. Especially in the US, where most rapes against women are carried out by minorities, I think it's wrong to force a woman to carry the spawn of the beast that assaulted her. The woman certainly does not benefit from legislation like that, nor does society, since we, the taxpayers, are forced to care for yet another parentless child that will probably end up being a criminal itself.

[Ajaxhan]

This is one that I'd have to firmly disagree with. Especially in the US, where most rapes against women are carried out by minorities, I think it's wrong to force a woman to carry the spawn of the beast that assaulted her. The woman certainly does not benefit from legislation like that, nor does society, since we, the taxpayers, are forced to care for yet another parentless child that will probably end up being a criminal itself.

I have trouble with this view because I don't believe that just because the father was a "beast" means that the child is some kind of demon spawn. Why should that child be punished for its father's mistakes? I don't believe such tendencies are necessarily genetic. And, let's not forget that that child would also be the spawn of its mother, not only its father.