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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjerpander View Post
    Are you going to tell me zimbabwe is a white country too
    http://www.manuampim.com/ZIMBABWE.html

    Egyptians looked mixed with black so they I would consider them black
    Read the OP.
    Note to afrocentrists, and the people sympathize with them: This isn't the thread to argue your idiotic beliefs so don't post any of your nonsense here, make another thread to do it if you want.
    And I'll get to Zimbabwe eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shqipe View Post
    They are Caucasoid but they are not white.
    White means nothing. Egyptians were and are mostly Caucasoid, same race as Europeans.

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    Afrocentrists are a special kind of stupid, they are so inferiority-complex riddled that they can only obsess and obsess about presenting themselves as something they're not. It reminds me of when certain Bulgarians have an inferiority complex and try to present themselves as Scythians/Thracians, it's a sad display and reeks of lack of self-confidence.

    That said, they're pretty much on the same level as Nordicists who claim Ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt were "Nordic" civilizations, it's stupid and anyone who believes it should be clubbed to death.

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    (Semitic mercenary with his Egyptian wife and kid):



    Modern day Egyptians:









    "Early genetic studies have identified an Upper Paleolithic component in current northern African populations, and suggested that the Neolithic transition occurred through cultural diffusion [9], [10]. Studies using autosomal markers such as short tandem repeats (STRs), polymorphic Alu insertions, HLA class II polymorphisms, and GM and KM allotypes have shown close genetic affinity of North Africans to Eurasian populations and found evidence of gene flow from sub-Saharan populations [11]–[24]. Recent genome-wide analysis of North Africans found substantial shared ancestry with the Middle East, and to a lesser extent sub-Saharan Africa and Europe (see Figure S1 for a geographical description of the region). An autochthonous Maghrebi ancestry that increases from east to west across northern Africa was also identified. It was suggested that this ancestry likely derive from “back-to-Africa” gene flow more than 12,000 ya [25]. In addition, it has been suggested that recent gene flow between the Middle East and North Africa was probably promoted by shared cultures after the Islamic expansion, increasing genetic similarities between North Africans and Middle Easterners [26]. Interestingly, genome-wide analysis also shows that increased genetic diversity in Southern Europe, which is higher than in other regions of the continent, is a result of recent gene flow from North Africa [27]."

    " In contrast to the Middle Eastern influence, studies have reported only limited contribution of sub-Saharan paternal lineages to the North African gene pool. Previous analyzes of mtDNA lineages in North African populations suggest significant Eurasian origins [41]–[43] with lineages dating back to Paleolithic times and with recent gene flow from sub-Saharan Africa linked to slave trade. mtDNA variations showed an East-West cline accompanied by a genetic discontinuity on the Libyan/Egyptian border, suggesting a differential gene flow in the Nile River Valley."

    "The first two components account for 55.35% of the variation and reveal a strong geographical clustering of the populations analyzed (Figure 2A). The first component separates sub-Saharan Africans which have higher frequencies of B-M60 A-M91, E-M2, and E*-M96 haplogroups. The first component also shows clustering of the Europeans characterized by R*-M207 and I-M170 and Middle Easterners which have higher frequencies of E-M78, E-M123, J-M267, and J-M172. The second component separates all North African populations except Egyptians from all other populations and shows that E-M81 plays a major role in this structure. The Tuareg appear to be drawn towards sub-Saharans while Egyptians clustered with Middle Easterners close to Palestinians"




    "Genetic affinity between the studied groups was further investigated by calculating pairwise genetic distances (RST) using Y-STR haplotypes. The MDS (Figure 2B) shows a geographical clustering similar to the PCA. The first dimension splits the sub-Saharan Africans from all other populations. The North Africans cluster close to Middle Easterners with Tuareg drawn towards sub-Saharans and Egypt close to Palestinians."


    "Results show significant variance among groups when Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia were pooled in one group and Libya, Tuareg, Egypt and the Middle East pooled in the second group. Variance among groups decreases but remains significant when Libyans and Tuareg are added to the first group. Conversely, significant differences between groups are lost when Egyptians are added to the North African group (Table S3). This result is also reflected in the PCA and MDS and shows Egypt's strong affinity to the Middle East rather than to North Africa.



    "PCA on genome-wide SNPs (Figure 4A) shows that North Africans are diverse and closer to Middle Easterners and Europeans than to Sub-Saharan Africans. Egyptians appear the closest to Middle Easterners and Europeans while South Moroccans are drawn towards Sub-Saharans. Tunisian samples (Chenini-Douiret Berbers) form an orthogonal cluster close but distinct from other North Africans which mostly appear in overlapping clusters."



    "We constructed trees that infer population relationships using TreeMix [62]. This method estimates both population splits and the possibility of population mixture. First, we build a maximum-likelihood tree setting the position of the root at the Yoruba (Figure 4B). South Moroccans and Saharawi appear close to Yoruba while Egyptians are on a branch leading to Middle Easterners and Basque. Next, we set TreeMix to allow migration edges (m) and test by increasing m sequentially up to m = 20. The initial tree structure remains mostly unchanged when migration edges are added. All North Africans except Tunisians appear admixed from an ancestral population to Yoruba."
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3842387/

    The secondary populations that i'm greatly genetically affiliated with are the Egyptians:


    Anyone who claims that the AE's were somehow a lost black African civilization needs to be shot at the back of the head. Its shameful when places like the Ted-something museum(forgot the surname of the place) that showcase ancient Egypt as a black civilization in encouraging Africentrism.

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    Debunking black african civilization: ''Great'' Zimbabwe

    The article posted by Ninjerpander cites Zimbabwe as a good example of a black african civilization when in reality Zimbabwe is nothing but a stone ruin. A series of walls and towers in which the walls enclose nothing, and the towers have no windows or doors. Some Africans of the area probably travelled to some Arab city and brought back what they thought was the concept of civilization to this part of Africa, and Zimbabwe was most likely just a copy of how the africans of the area thought an Arab city should look like.

    There are other indications of foreign influence, and I quote John R. Baker:
    “There are, however, some suggestions of foreign influence in minor details of architecture. It has been claimed that the chevron decoration at the top of the wall that encircles the Great Enclosure at Zimbabwe (Fig. 67), and other comparable decorations elsewhere, resemble Arabian designs. [54, 1175] The four little turrets on the western wall of the Western Enclosure of the ‘Acropolis’ may well represent someone’s recollection of a minaret seen (but obviously not understood) at Sofala (cf. Gayre [396]). The high quality of the masonry at such places as Dhlo-Dhlo and Khami (Figs. 68 and 69B) may owe something, too, to Portuguese influence.” (p. 408)
    Now, Zimbabwe was a trading center, but there isn't really any proof of a powerful kingdom as stated by the author of the article Ninjerpander posted. In fact it can't be called a civilization at all. There is no sign of anything like a school, or university, there are no records left by the people except the ruins themselves, the people were illiterate, and they contributed absolutely nothing in science/technology, philosophy, or the arts. In fact, we no of zero individuals from this so called ''civilization''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou Madara View Post
    White means nothing. Egyptians were and are mostly Caucasoid, same race as Europeans.
    even Somalis, who are some of the blackest people I have seen, are considered Caucasoid.

    Ancient egyptians might of been some kind of MED race, like ancient greeks, but only on average darker. There are many ancient records of blond and red hair and even to this day light hair is not unheard of in Morocco or north Africa.

    It's also funny how both, nordicists and Afrocentrists, claim Ancient Egyptians, North Africans and Ancient greeks... lol. Let's just say they were meds. Somewhere in between, which is the most accurate to say... but ancient Egyptians looked sometimes like light skinned East Africans based on some of these pics I have seen here.

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    Some of them like to claim Beethoven and even Mozart were black! Both of them were caucasoids this is supported not only by genealogical studies of their ancestry, but even by simply looking at their death masks you can deduce neither showed any trace of African ancestry.

    Beethoven's family tree:
    http://www.lvbeethoven.com/Famille/F...Beethoven.html

    Mozart's family tree:
    http://www.geni.com/people/Wolfgang-...00002454309450

    Beethoven's death mask:


    Mozart's (possible) death mask:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou Madara View Post
    He always reminds me of Corey Feldman

    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou Madara View Post
    Debunking black african civilization: ''Great'' Zimbabwe

    The article posted by Ninjerpander cites Zimbabwe as a good example of a black african civilization when in reality Zimbabwe is nothing but a stone ruin. A series of walls and towers in which the walls enclose nothing, and the towers have no windows or doors. Some Africans of the area probably travelled to some Arab city and brought back what they thought was the concept of civilization to this part of Africa, and Zimbabwe was most likely just a copy of how the africans of the area thought an Arab city should look like.

    There are other indications of foreign influence, and I quote John R. Baker:


    Now, Zimbabwe was a trading center, but there isn't really any proof of a powerful kingdom as stated by the author of the article Ninjerpander posted. In fact it can't be called a civilization at all. There is no sign of anything like a school, or university, there are no records left by the people except the ruins themselves, the people were illiterate, and they contributed absolutely nothing in science/technology, philosophy, or the arts. In fact, we no of zero individuals from this so called ''civilization''.
    That fort had nothing to do with native Zimbabweans. Peninsular Arabs were trading along east Africa way before it was even estimated to be built. There's even signs of Persian traders in the area. There was known to be gold in the area and it was a fort to protect that gold trade by the Arabs from Zimbabweans. Maybe a few Zimbabweans actually worked the construction, but it was designed by Arabs, probably not even finished, and the fort has a high resemblance to Omani forts.

    Why do people even have such obsessions with ancient civilizations anyway? They were horrible, most of you would probably be the slaves getting whipped and working construction on the Pyramids in Egypt, not the tiny elite ruling class. Who got us from Hunter-Gatherers to farmers or living in cities first isn't really that relevant. The present is what matters.

    If blacks want to lie or be deluded, they should try claiming modern Zimbabwean infrastructure and South Africa. They can say there's almost no white people left, so they clearly built and designed everything. Claiming the first ever heart transplant in the world was done by a black South African instead of a Dutch Afrikaner South African shouldn't be too hard either.
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
    oldschool anthropology

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    Although, I will say, there is evidence the first pottery in the world could have been African. It's not a big deal, it's only pottery, but it's still interesting. They're dating it to 30-50k years ago.

    They're still researching the excavation site for more information, but there are signs of broken pottery in the sahel area of West Africa(near Mali, etc). Right now, the oldest pottery is found in China, the oldest man made non-weapon/tool figures are found in the Czech Republic.

    Look it up. Given it's the sahel area though, I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't done by Caucasoids either, but today the area is majority Negroid, so.
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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