European Court of Human Rights: Armenian Deportation Is Not a Genocide

[XenophobicPrussian]

You guys are openly provoking hate crime, which is against the law in many West European countries. Does the forum administrator allow this kind of unhuman and non logical hate crime provoking comments?

What is a hate crime is importing foreigners like you against the will of the people and making Europeans first minorities in their own countries then extinct. That's the real hate crime, and that's the latest genocide going on in the world.

[acatziri]

Me? I wasn't writing about my country or my nationals' actions. I was talking about that:



We'll see if you shall get deported peacefully from the Nordic countries... Or if they shall open gas chambers again...

You are living in the Netherlands eh? You must be scared...

You are a good example which proofs that racist people of institutions(with no knowledge of the obvious historical, anthorpological and genetical facts) like yourself are NOT QUALIFIED to equal other nations or historical events as genocide. Your kind knows very well that the Armenian deportation is not a genocide.

Then what is a genocide? And why do the following real genocides not get enough attention from the non scientific racist states like the US and France?

List of Real Genocides performed by West European Germanic originated states who made their states and elite companies rich by making innocent people slaves, and trading the slaves with an unhuman honourless system:

1. Dutch Genocides in Indonesia(Rawagede Genocide in 1947, Batavia Genocide in 1740)

2. French Genocides in Algeria and Rwanda(Algeria, Sétif and Guelma Genocides and the continuation of these: 1945-1962, Rwandan Genocide: 1994)

3. German Genocides in the Western European countries were Jews lived(Holocaust Genocide: 1939–1945) ==> Hitler was a British agent, and the Nazi leaders of Hitler were all secret agents of the US/UK and after the 2nd World War all these Nazi leaders were in critical duties in the US government institutions like the CIA.

4a. US American Genocides in the American continent, performed on the Native Americans and the African Americans(Hundreds of Genocides, such as the Wounded Knee Genocide in 1890, the Wiyot Genocide in 1860, and hundreds of years of African American slavery and hundreds of genocides on African Americans, and even today the statistics show that EVERY 28 HOURS 1 AFRICAN AMERICAN IS BEING KILLED ON PUPOSE BY THE RACIST POLICE OF THE US STATE)

4b. US American Genocides performed in Japan(Hiroshima Genocide in 1945), Afghanistan/Iraq(MUSLIM GENOCIDE, 2 MILLION INNOCENT MUSLIMS WERE KILLED AND THE LIFES OF MILLIONS OF OTHER MUSLIMS WERE MADE A HELL, BETWEEN 2003-2015) and Bosnia(Genocide on Muslim Bosnians in 1995, performed and setup by the CIA agents like George Soros whom openly created the Bosniac genocide with the set up of dozens of racist foundations in Jugoslavia which made the Bosniacs and Serbs hate each other, it is proven that the Dutch Army which is a puppet of the US, ourpose with orders of the US did nothing to prevent the Srebrenica genocide).

5. Genocides performed by the UK on the Indigenous Australians and Irish people, such us for example the Mistake Creek Genocide in 1915, the Bedford Downs Genocide in 1924, the Irish Potato Famine Genocide between 1845-1852.

6. Genocides performed by the Armenian state(puppets of the Russian and US states) on the Azerbaijani Turks in the Khocali Region, Within only one day at 26 February 1992 the Armenian soldiers murdered hundreds of innocent men, women, children, babies, old people who did not have the proper weapons to defend theirselves, the whole world(except the other Turk states and populations) kept quiet after the Genocide performed on the Azerbaijani Turks.

All in all, the Western European and American Germanic countries are the mother of all genocides, and devilish unhuman slave trading. ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO EXPERIENCED IN THE PERFORMING OF GENOCIDE, WILL HAVE THE URGE TO FALSELY TRY TO CHARGE OTHER NATIONS WITH "GENOCIDE" WHILE IT IS OBVIOUS WITH HISTORICAL SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENTS THAT THE TURKS DID NEVER COMMIT ANY KIND OF GENOCIDE!

[acatziri]

You clearly don't understand English. If the following sentence:



Was put on English exams in Turkey, all Turks would fail to understand it...

Hahaha Denial problems, does it hurt in your behind, when the European Court of Human Rights CLEARLY ADMITS THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GENOCIDE IN THIS SITUATION?

Keep on with the denial stuff, you make your self only more and more ridiculous, have fun

[acatziri]

I see very well, thank you.
You didn't even read what I wrote.

Your title is misleading, since you imply that ECoHR ruled that there was no genocide.
The ECoHR simple ruled that Perincek's sayings fall under the ''freedom of expression'' category, and he was faulty criminilized, based on Swiss law.

The European court of Human Rights have not any ''say" to if there was a genocide or not. This is a job for ICJ (International Court of Justice)
The ECoHR deals with applications alleging that a contracting state has breached one or more of the human rights provisions concerning civil and political rights set out in the Convention and its protocols. (in this case, freedom of expression)


See bold. As used in the Swiss Criminal code.

Read it and have fun with the denial stress you are experiencing

The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

If you would have read the full contents of the PDF file published BY the European Court of Human Rights about this case you would have seen what the Swiss Criminal Code is equal to. Let me educate you guys step by step.

The non scientific false and hate crime(against Turks) contents of the Swiss Criminal Code:

The association “Switzerland-Armenia” filed a criminal complaint against him on 15 July 2005. On 9
March 2007 the Lausanne Police Court found Mr Perinçek guilty of racial discrimination within the meaning of the Swiss Criminal Code, finding that his motives were of a racist tendency and did not contribute to the historical debate.

Mr Perinçek lodged an appeal that was dismissed by the Criminal Cassation Division of the Vaud Cantonal Court. In that court’s view, the Armenian genocide, like the Jewish genocide, was a proven historical fact, recognised by the Swiss legislature on the date of the adoption of Article 261bis of the Criminal Code. The courts did not therefore need to refer to the work of historians in order to accept its existence. The Cassation Division emphasised that Mr Perinçek had only denied the characterisation as genocide without calling into question the existence of the massacres and deportations of Armenians.

http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/webservice...613832-5581451

After the appropiate NEUTRAL RESEARCH of The European Court of Human Rights, they decided that the "deportations and massacres committed to the Armenians" IS NOT EQUAL TO THE TERM 'Genocide". The Swiss Criminal Code describes the events as "genocide", and the European Court of Human Rights decides that the Swiss Criminal Code is WRONG.

The Decision of the European Court of Human Rights:

The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/webservice...613832-5581451

[acatziri]

So much ignorance. Most blacks lynched in the US were serious criminals, there was a case of a black guy being lynched for whistling at a white women, but again, most were serious criminals including murderers.

For your information, the Nazis also wanted to simply deport Jews first, for the same reasons the Turks deported Armenians, treason. The US and UK didn't allow them to, so they turned to mass murder.

You are the ignorant one. Look at the following video, and see how and with what kind of racist system, the US state is committing a GENOCIDE ON THE AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION:



Today, not 1000 years ago, in the so called modern times of the US state, the Police of the US state is MURDERING ONE AFRICAN AMERICAN PERSON PER 28 HOURS, THIS IS A STATISTICALLY PROVEN FACT! If they act like this today, what do you think about how the US state performed their sytematic genocide on the African American people in the 1930's, 1940's or even earlier in the 18th-19th centuries? Do you have a soul to accept these facts? Or do you only have the urge to spread your lies against the Turks because of the Hate Crime feelings you have towards the Turk Nation?

The Jews did not kill anyone in Germany, nor did the Jews wore the uniforms of enemy state armies, nor did the Jews try to divide the German state, their only problem was that their companies became richer and richer and began to dominate the economy of the racist Nazi state which was a puppet of the UK and the US. After the loss of Germany in the First World War, the constitution(The main laws) were written by the UK(=US). The UK state was using their secret agent Hitler, to bring down the economical rise of the Jews just before the Second World War. These Jews were of Khazar Turk origin, and this was the racist reason for the Germanic UK/US/Nazi's to perform a genocide on these Jews.

[acatziri]

What is a hate crime is importing foreigners like you against the will of the people and making Europeans first minorities in their own countries then extinct. That's the real hate crime, and that's the latest genocide going on in the world.

You only keep denying my comments, it only shows how unsufficient you are. Read my previous comments of the details of the situation that was present during the FIRST WORLD WAR, and what the Armenians did before the Deportation. I do not feel it necessary to repeat my arguments hundreds of times, it is meaningless. If you prefer, you can keep on with the denying strategy, altough this will never change the real truth and the scientific facts, dont worry about it.

[Queen B]

Read it and have fun with the denial stress you are experiencing

The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

If you would have read the full contents of the PDF file published BY the European Court of Human Rights about this case you would have seen what the Swiss Criminal Code is equal to. Let me educate you guys step by step.

The non scientific false and hate crime(against Turks) contents of the Swiss Criminal Code:



After the appropiate NEUTRAL RESEARCH of The European Court of Human Rights, they decided that the "deportations and massacres committed to the Armenians" IS NOT EQUAL TO THE TERM 'Genocide". The Swiss Criminal Code describes the events as "genocide", and the European Court of Human Rights decides that the Swiss Criminal Code is WRONG.

The Decision of the European Court of Human Rights:

What you fail to understand? ECoHR's is about.. HUMAN rigths. Crimes and crimes against humanity are of ICJ.

[acatziri]

What you fail to understand? ECoHR's is about.. HUMAN rigths. Crimes and crimes against humanity are of ICJ.

Lol, hahaha, in phase one you start the denying process, in phase to you make a 180 degree turn and accept the truth, and you dont value the decision made by the European Court of Human Rights.

1:
The State of Switzerland and France are openly violating the HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE TURKS(approximately 1 million Turks, including Doğu Perinçek) that live in Switzerland and France, by declaring them murderers while it is a scientifically proven fact that there was no genocide performed on the Armenians, while on the other side the Armenians committed openly many genocides on purposely on innocent civil Turks. The states of Switzerland and France are openly punishing people who are following the scientific truth and deny the false genocide.

2:
The Armenian slander is a false accusation, there was never committed any kind of genocide against the Armenians. The Armenian slander has to do with the human rights of Turks and Armenians, so this accusation is the work of the European Court of Human Rights.
During the First World War, the present Armenian state did not yet exist, but the Ottoman state was present, and Türkiye is the following state of the Ottoman Empire. So the Armenian slander clearly has to do with the human rights of the present day and historical(around 1914-1918) civil individual Turks and Armenians. The punishing with a law, according to a false(historically proven to be false) slander, is against the terms of the European Court of Human Rights. If the European Court of Human Rights publishes a result in which they say that there was no such thing as a "genocide" on Armenians, then all members(governments of for example France and Switzerland) of the European countries MUST follow this decision, also all other courts MUST AUTOMATICALLY follow this decision, because all these European courts are integrated to each other.

Read the following content on the following page of the International Court of Justice: http://www.icj-cij.org/information/index.php?p1=7&p2=2

The International Court of Justice differs from the European Court of Justice (the seat of which is in Luxembourg), whose role is to interpret European Community legislation uniformly and rule on its validity, as well as from the European Court of Human Rights (in Strasbourg, France) and the Inter-American Court of Human Rights (in San José, Costa Rica), which deal with allegations of violations of the human rights conventions under which they were set up. As well as applications from States, those three courts can entertain applications from individuals, which is not possible for the International Court of Justice.

The page clearly writes that the European Court of Human Rights can deal with matters of states and individuals together.

3.
Read the contents of the following article at:

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...perincek.html#

The case being heard in Strasbourg, where Clooney is representing Armenia, centers on the hotly debated genocide Armenians say Ottoman Turks perpetrated a century ago against 1.5 million of their forbears.

The Armenian claim, though it has significant international political and academic support, is nevertheless questioned by the Turkish judiciary in terms of the strict legal definition of genocide. Turkey officially denies the claim, although it acknowledges that hundreds of thousands of Armenians were among the millions of Ottomans killed during World War I.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...#ixzz3erqvLRnQ

In this case of the European Court of Human Rights, Amal Clooney was representing the country Armenia, and Doğu Perinçek was representing the country Türkiye. So, the subject of the case is the "Armenian slander", and the European Court of Human Rights had to make a decision which showed that either the country/state Türkiye, or the the country/state Armenia was right.

4.
The European Court of Human Rights investigated the subject and made a neutral solid research. They published(http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/webservice...613832-5581451) the result of their investigation and research with the following solid data which openly proofs that there was no such thing as a "genocide", this decision MUST be followed by all European governments and courts:

-The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

-The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

-In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

[Queen B]

Lol, hahaha, in phase one you start the denying process, in phase to you make a 180 degree turn and accept the truth, and you dont value the decision made by the European Court of Human Rights.

Of course I value the decision of ECoHR.

You still haven't understand shit, though.
This case is between Perincek and Switzerland.
Its not between Turkey and Armenia.

1:
The State of Switzerland and France are openly violating the HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE TURKS(approximately 1 million Turks, including Doğu Perinçek) that live in Switzerland and France, by declaring them murderers while it is a scientifically proven fact that there was no genocide performed on the Armenians, while on the other side the Armenians committed openly many genocides on purposely on innocent civil Turks. The states of Switzerland and France are openly punishing people who are following the scientific truth and deny the false genocide.

Wrong. The ECoHR declared that whatever Perincek says, is within his human right ''Freedom of Expresion" and he was wrongly convincted.

2:
The Armenian slander is a false accusation, there was never committed any kind of genocide against the Armenians. The Armenian slander has to do with the human rights of Turks and Armenians, so this accusation is the work of the European Court of Human Rights.
During the First World War, the present Armenian state did not yet exist, but the Ottoman state was present, and Türkiye is the following state of the Ottoman Empire. So the Armenian slander clearly has to do with the human rights of the present day and historical(around 1914-1918) civil individual Turks and Armenians. The punishing with a law, according to a false(historically proven to be false) slander, is against the terms of the European Court of Human Rights. If the European Court of Human Rights publishes a result in which they say that there was no such thing as a "genocide" on Armenians, then all members(governments of for example France and Switzerland) of the European countries MUST follow this decision, also all other courts MUST AUTOMATICALLY follow this decision, because all these European courts are integrated to each other.

There is no official rule from ECJ or ICJ regarding the Armenian genocide, hence they can't rule against or for it.
What they deal is if the denial should be punishable by law, or it is within each individual's rights.

Crimes against humanity and war crimes are dealt through ICJ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...nal_for_Rwanda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...mer_Yugoslavia

[acatziri]

Of course I value the decision of ECoHR.

You still haven't understand shit, though.
This case is between Perincek and Switzerland.
Its not between Turkey and Armenia.

Keep on with the denying I just need to rephrase a part of my previous post:

"In this case of the European Court of Human Rights, Amal Clooney was representing the country Armenia, and Doğu Perinçek was representing the country Türkiye. So, the subject of the case is the "Armenian slander", and the European Court of Human Rights had to make a decision which showed that either the country/state Türkiye, or the the country/state Armenia was right."

Countries like Switzerland create a law in 2005 based on the hate crime against Turks. The law includes the devilish rule, that if someone refuses the Armenian slander(scientifically proven that there is no genocide), he/she will go to prison. Like i mentioned before, there are tons of other REAL genocides committed by the West European and American countries. Countries like Switzerland do not seem it to be necessary to create laws associated with these real genocides. The fact is that countries like Switzerland and France are political puppets of the US and the UK, and when the US/UK orders and forces these puppet governments to create such non logical laws, they immediately do this. An Independent Türkiye and Independent Turks, is a big threat for the plans the UK/US has in the Middle East, the UK/US cant expand their rule in the Middle East, because the country Türkiye and the Türk Armed Forces created by Atatürk is fully independent, and blocks the expansion of all devilish unhuman plans of the UK/US in the Middle East. Thats the reason why the UK/US gives orders to their puppet countries to create laws based on hate crime and international lies.

1- Doğu Perinçek goes to Switzerland in 2005, together with Rauf Denktaş(former and building president of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) and dozens of other Turk scholars(also many historians like the former president of the Türk History Institute Yusuf Halaçoğlu went to Switzerland at this period) and statesmen, and gives a democratic conference to a huge group of Turks, and tells in summary: "The Armenian genocide is an Imperialist Lie".

2- In 2007, Switzerland sentenced Doğu Perinçek for 90 days of prison.

3- Doğu Perinçek files a complaint in 2008, at the European Court of Human Rights against the state of Switzerland.

4- In 17 December 2013, the European Court of Human Rights, made a neutral investigation and research about the scientific/historical realities(the truth) regarding the falsely accused genocide against the Armenian population in 1915. The conclusions of the European Court of Human Rights about the truth about the Armenian slander subject, after their neutral investigation and research were:

-The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

-The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

-In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

5- Because the European Court of Human Rights decided and believes there was no such thing as an Armenian genocide in 1915(read my previous posts about the details of what precisely happened at this period of time), the European Court of Human Rights sentenced Switzerland, for violating the freedom of expression of Doğu Perinçek.

6- All European countries and all European courts MUST follow the contents of the decision the European Court of Human Rights has made.

7- In March 2014, Switzerland lodged an appeal against the decision and sentence of the European Court of Human Rights. The European Court of Human Rights, planned a new appointment for the evaluation of the lodged appeal.

8- In January 2015, this new appointment for the case was carried out. Now, the state of Türkiye represented Doğu Perinçek, and the states of Armenia and France represented Switzerland about the discussion and evaluation of the decision, sentence and results the European Court of Human Rights had published in 17 December 2013. So, the complete case(2008-2015) is a case associated with multiple present day and historical European states, because the decision in 17 December 2013 included a conclusion of "THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE PERFORMED ON THE ARMENIANS IN 1915".

The Armenians in 1915 wore the military uniforms of France, England and Russia, they were in duty of the armies of these countries, and performed treason against the Ottoman state in which they lived for 1000 years in peace, by the killing and murdering of innocent civil(non military) Muslim Turks and Kurds to fullfill the orders of the countries France, England and Russia which were the enemies of the Ottoman state during the ongoing First World War(1914-1918). Hovhannes Kajaznuni, accepts all these facts courageously, but neither the modern Armenians, nor the other European countries seem to be interested in the scientific truth based on historical facts which are found from Russian, Ottoman and Armenian historical documents. The Swiss Criminal Code, their evil law that punishes people who deny the Armenian slander, did not need the assistance of historians and historical facts, so the reason for creating their law was on purposely because they got the orders from the UK/US states in order to perform pressure on the present day modern Turks and the modern Türkiye state. This is infact a really obvious hate crime against the Turks. Since the Armenian state was not present in 1915, the Swiss state was represented, in January 2015, by the combination of the states of France(European) and Armenia, which is logical because France was according to Hovhannes Kajaznuni one of the states(together with Tsar Russia and England) which clearly used the Armenian population during the period of 1915 to commit treason against the Turks and the Ottoman state.