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Repeat Number One for Bad Intended Mentally Ill Turk Hating Denial Stress Problems Having People:
We Turks did not commit any genocide. Armenians betrayed the Turks and Kurds with whom they were neighbours for thousand years. It was the 1st World War, and the Ottoman Army was battling against the English, French and Russian allies. During this time of war, the Armenians did not fight for their homeland(the Ottoman Empire in which they were living), in stead in a treacherously way, they betrayed the Turks. While the majority of Turkish and Kurdish men were in duty of the Ottoman Army, Armenian terrorists openly joined the side of the English, French and Russian army.
They killed innocent woman and children in villages were there were few men left, because most of the men joined the Ottoman Army. The Armenian terrorists destroyed complete cities like Van and Erzurum. Much worse, they wore the uniforms of the Russian and French Army. While the Ottoman Army was busy with the 1st WW, the Armenian and Greek traitors stabbed the Ottoman population in the back. What the Ottoman State did was even humanly, look at what the Russian and US puppet Armenians did in Khocali? The Ottoman State only deported the traitors that stabbed the Ottoman state in the back. This has nothing to do with genocide.
The Armenians tried to divide and weaken the Ottoman state from the inner side to make their owners(the English and the Tsar Russians), and the Armenians and their masters were the ones that committed a Muslim Genocide during the 1st WW, the Turks only defended their country, during war, if the enemy tries to kill you, you have to defend your country, this is what we Turks did, the English and their Greek and Armenian puppets tried to kill us and take over our country, and we did not let this happen, and had a victory against them after the Turk War of Independence.
Also, there are thousands of documents in the Russian and US Archives, which shows the exact numbers of Armenians whom were deported to Syria(also Ottoman region at that time), and from here to the US and other countries. The numbers show that there is NO KIND OF A GENOCIDE, the population number of the people safely deported is the same as the number of Armenians that lived in Ottoman country before the 1st World War.
Of course, every human that dies, we should be upset about it, but this was a World War, and if you try to take over the country of the weakened dumb Ottoman dynasty, then the Turks will not surrender, and will defend their country, and that is what we did successfully! End of the Point!
Repeat Number Two for Bad Intended Mentally Ill Turk Hating Denial Stress Problems Having People:
Most important examples are the cities Erzurum and Van, the Armenians committed a genocide on the Muslim Turks and Kurds just to fullfill the orders of their Tsar Russian and English masters. The same unhuman situations were performed in all regions of Türkiye.
I really want you to understand what i mean in a good intended way. Think of it like this:
-There is a First World War ongoing.
-Majority of all Muslim men in Ottoman Türkiye did join the Ottoman army to fight against the Tsar Russians and British.
-The villages are left only with women, old people and children.
-Then all the sudden, Armenian terrorist groups like Hinchaks ve Tashnaks whom wore the military uniforms of the Russians, French and British, and were publicly in the service of the Russians, French and British armies, killed and raped the innocent civil(not soldiers) Turks and Kurds and burn and destroy as much as villages as possible(Van and Erzurum completely) with whom they lived together for 1000 years in peace.
-This is treason, and this treason is performed while the majority of the men were fighting in the battle fields against the real enemy armies of the British and Russians and their puppets(like French, Italian, etc.).
-The head of the state of the Ottoman Empire did not give any kind of order to massacre the Armenians that committed treason. The Ottoman Army was stabbed in the back, while the Ottoman Army was fighting in war, at the civil regions Armenians were commiting treason. The Ottoman state decided only to deport the Armenian population from "Türkiye"(Anatolia) regions to the region of Syria which was then still under control of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman State(The Turks) DID NOT in any kind of way perform any kind of massacre or genocide against the Armenians. Use your logical instincts, if an Armenian group of terrorists kills many of the relatives of a Turk who was in duty in the Ottoman Army, what would a Turk have to do to defend the remaining members of his family in his village? The fact is that the Armenians wore Russian and English military uniforms and tried to take over our country with the performing of hundreds of unhuman campaigns, and we Turks DEFENDED OUR COUNTRY, OUR FAMILIES AND OUR HONOUR SUCCESSFULLY, this is NOT GENOCIDE, this is a WAR, and the Turks were the ones being invaded. Of course, many unfortunate situations, revenge killings have happened, but if you look at the Ottoman records, you can see easily that the Ottoman State, executed(sentenced to death) dozens/hundreds of Turks/Kurds whom murdered against the law.
-Reading the following Report of Hovhannes Kajaznuni, the first Prime Minister of the First Republic of Armenia, shows that all my arguments above are completely true:
-Also, looking at the Turk Genocide in 26 February 1992, which was committed by the Armenians against the Azerbaijani Turks in the Khocali region, we can CONCLUDE, finally that we TURKS DID NEVER COMMIT ANY KIND OF GENOCIDE. The Armenians murdered in any kind of horrifying unhuman way within only one day, hundreds of innocent Azerbaijani Turks who did not have the proper weapons to defend theirselves. Please have a look at the following pictures to understand what kind of horrifying massacres/genocides the Armenians committed to us Turks in 1992 and understand that the same kind of unhuman acts(massacres/genocides) were also performed during and before the World War 1(1914-1918) against the Türkiye Turks in the Anatolia region.Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=12301
Repeat Number Three for Bad Intended Mentally Ill Turk Hating Denial Stress Problems Having People:Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=12279
Do i have to keep repeating the same message, this is what the Court said:
-The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.
-The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.
-In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.
Another new quotation from the official pdf the Court published:
The Court also pointed out that it was not called upon to rule on the legal characterisation of the Armenian genocide. The existence of a “genocide”, which was a precisely defined legal concept, was not easy to prove. The Court doubted that there could be a general consensus as to events such as those at issue, given that historical research was by definition open to discussion and a matter of debate, without necessarily giving rise to final conclusions or to the assertion of objective and absolute truths.
If you still keep on further with your denial problems, go see some doctor and medicate yourself, i am not your doctor
Another quotation:
The applicant, Doğu Perinçek, is a Turkish national who was born in 1942 and lives in Ankara (Turkey). Being a doctor of laws and the Chairman of the Turkish Workers’ Party, Mr Perinçek participated in various conferences in Switzerland in May, July and September 2005, during which he publicly denied that the Ottoman Empire had perpetrated the crime of genocide against the Armenian people in 1915 and the following years. He described the idea of an Armenian genocide as an “international lie”.
The Cassation Division emphasised that Mr Perinçek had only denied the characterisation as genocide without calling into question the existence of the massacres and deportations of Armenians.
Agreeing with Mr Perinçek, the Court took the view that the notion of “genocide” was a precisely defined legal concept. According to the case-law of the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, for the crime of genocide to be made out, the acts must have been perpetrated with intent to destroy not only certain members of a particular group but all or part of the group itself. Genocide was a very narrow legal concept that was, moreover, difficult to substantiate. The Court was not convinced that the general consensus to which the courts referred in convicting Mr Perinçek could relate to such very specific points of law.
In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust. In those cases, the applicants had denied the historical facts even though they were sometimes very concrete, such as the existence of the gas chambers. They had denied the crimes perpetrated by the Nazi regime for which there had been a clear legal basis. Lastly, the acts that they had called into question had been found by an international court to be clearly established.
Lets analyze the following statement:
"it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”
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Synonyms:
It was not called upon to address: It was Not Correct to Define
Veracity: Truthfulness, Conformity to facts; Accuracy
Appropriateness: Rightness
Full Translation:
1a- It was not called upon to address the veracity of the massacres and deportations. =
1b- It was Not Correct to Define the Accuracy of the massacres and deportations =
1c- The massacres and deportations described in the Swiss criminal code are not Accurate.
2a- It was not called upon to address the appropriateness of legally characterising the massacres and deportations as “genocide” =
2b- It was Not Correct to Define the Rightness of the legally characterising of the massacres and deportations as “genocide” =
2c- The massacres and deportations WERE NOT GENOCIDE.
Different example about the term "called upon to address":
New Scottish Government called upon to address Equal Marriage for same sex couples
The Equality and Human Rights Commission Scotland today launched a new report calling for access to equal marriage for same sex couples in Scotland. The report is a result of a symposium recently held by the Commission to investigate perceived barriers to equal marriage and suggest ways forward for legislators.
The report calls upon the Scottish Government to consider these disparities and to take steps to bring about equal access to marriage in Scotland. The evidence and research contained within the report aims to inform their deliberations.
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/a...me-sex-couples
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The wikipedia article mentioned the destruction of a single city - Isfahan - that resulted to between 100,000 and 200,000 people massacred. Tamerlane destroyed many more cities, not just Isfahan. Can you grasp it moron?Read history. The death toll of Genghis Khan was so impressive, it turned the planet greener! There is even archaeologic evidence that pastures went abandoned for decades after Genghis Khan passed from there. China had a census, and the population of North China was reduced by 40 million after the conquest of Genghis Khan!!!
Maybe 1000? And you still did not mention the source name of the historical ancient book in which the numbers of 17 millions or even 40 millions is mentioned. This shows, that you are a simple liar, and shows how weak and unreliable your arguments are. You can not decorate, beautify or garnish your lies with the copy pasting of some large graphical images, it does not mean anything at all.
Wikipedia provides the source about Isfahan:
- Chaliand, Gerard; Arnaud Blin (2007). The History of Terrorism: From Antiquity to Al Qaeda. University of California Press. p. 87.ISBN 978-0520247093.
Do you suggest that all 100,000 to 200,000 citizens of Isfahan were combatants and that their murder was simply an act of war? Of course it was genocide you moron! An entire city was wiped off the map!!!
You dont know the meaning of the term "Genocide". Go see a doctor, and get yourself medicated for your denial problems. If "War" was equal to "Genocide", then all the killings during the historical wars were "Genocide". This is not true.
Where did I claim that Tamerlane forced a genocide against the Ottoman Turks? I mentioned Isfahan which was not part of the Ottoman empire. You accuse me of something I never wrote! Tamerlane was indeed a Turk who pretended to be a Mongol. Get used to it.
"Genocide", means this, let me tell it to you piece by piece, maybe you will enlighten yourself, or else go see a doctor. Genocide, is a procedure used to a specific foreign nation. In fact, "Timur" was of "Turk" origin, and he also attacked and made "War" with the Ottoman Army(also of Turk origin) too. Many Turks died at the War between the Ottomans and the Timurids, but this has nothing to do with "Genocide", this is "WAR".
False definition. The NAZI Germans for example did not attempt to destroy every ethnic group within NAZI Germany. Only the Jews and - partially - the Slavs. According to your definition, they did not commit genocide because they didn't try to exterminate all other non-German groups, like the French in occupied France or the Norwegians in occupied Norway!
"Genocide" is when a "State" will have a goal to on purposely "DESTROY" all other foreign ethnic groups within the "borders" of a state.
That's exactly what Tamerlane did in Isfahan. The Timurids kept massacring to the tune of 100 million people during the millenium of their rule in India.
But a war declared to the official army of another state is NOT GENOCIDE. Conquering is also NOT GENOCIDE. But, after the conquering(after the finish of the war with an official army), if a state on purposely kills the innocent defenseless civil people(non military) just because they are of another nation, this is GENOCIDE and an UNHUMAN RACIST action. This has never been the case for all Turks in the history.
Of course they have a relationship. Genocides happen usually during wars. Probably only during wars because mass extinctions outside of wars are defined as "genocides".
War and conquest has nothing to do with genocide.
Genghis Khan - 50 million corpses. Tamerlane - 17 million corpses. Keep blabbering!!!
During a war between soldiers, genocide is not possible. Everywhere, were the Ghengisid armies went, they offered peace if they surrendered, and all historical facts show really that if the countries accepted the offer, their countries lived in peace under the Genghisid(=Timurid) rule. A genocide is a legal term describing the killing of innocent civil(no military) people(based on ethnical hate crime) that cant defend theirselves. During Genghisid rule, this never happened, after conquest like you can see for example during the rule of Kubilai Khan, you can see that a foreign Marco Polo became one of the most richest statesmen in the empire of Kubilai Khan. The only mistake the Turk royal families made in history is eating of each other(their own people) for the fight for the throne.
Not that many, but you massacred hundreds of thousands of people during various rebellions. There was on average a rebellion in Greece every 2.5 years during the Ottoman rule!!!
Tell me something, in the Ottoman period before the loss in 1918, did the Ottomans ever kill 1.5 million innocent civilians, to make theirselves and their elite companies richer?
They were. You just admitted above that Tamerlane attacked the Ottoman empire. Didn't you even realize it?
No, never. Just after the British and American rule in Iraq started, a genocide of millions were conducted, is this a coincidence? Why werent the Muslims killing each other during the Ottoman period?
It's pointless. YOU ARE INSANE. THERE ARE NO CIA SLEEPER CELLS IN IRAQ!!!
We should know the fact that no one in Iraq is killing each other. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of CIA controlled sleeper cells, and dozens of subgroups of larger CIA controlled terrorist organizations like the PKK, which on purposely are causing the CHAOS in Iraq.
How come none of them is ever killed? If they did really exist, they would have to speak Arabic without accent and without anybody to realize that they are alien to the Arab/Muslim customs!!! Some of them would have been killed and people would find out their identity. There are Yankee casualties, but they are contractors, not sleeper cells. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.
All these CIA sleeper cells and the CIA terrorist organizations are being commanded by the US army special forces like Delta Force. In fact, the majority of these sleeper cells and terrorists are sneaky US, UK, Israeli and Armenian originated soldiers.
This was NOT a genocide you moron! A genocide requires physical extinction of a large number of people. Those prisoners in Abu Ghraib were not executed. THEY WERE TORTURED, BUT THEY ARE STILL ALIVE. Grow up you moron!!!
All these US genocide structures i mentioned just now are based on secret organizations, and we should not forget the obvious officially publicly killings of the US army which were leaked to the international media.
For example look at this horrifiying unhuman acts of the US soldiers in the leaked pictures of the Abu Ghraib Genocide:
Ebu Gureyb Soykırımı - The Abu Ghraib Genocide
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Only a half dozen of them!That was not a betrayal. The Ottoman empire was not democratic. If you didn't respect the will of the Armenian people within the Ottoman empire, they didn't betray you!
Armenians betrayed the Turks and Kurds with whom they were neighbours for thousand years.
That was because you didn't allow democracy to flourish in the Ottoman empire, and because you kept massacring them in the past:
It was the 1st World War, and the Ottoman Army was battling against the English, French and Russian allies. During this time of war, the Armenians did not fight for their homeland(the Ottoman Empire in which they were living), in stead in a treacherously way, they betrayed the Turks. While the majority of Turkish and Kurdish men were in duty of the Ottoman Army, Armenian terrorists openly joined the side of the English, French and Russian army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidian_massacres
The Hamidian massacres (Armenian: Համիդյան ջարդեր), also referred to as the Armenian Massacres of 1894–1896[1] and Great Massacres,[1] refer to massacres of Armenians of the Ottoman Empire in the mid-1890s, with estimates of the dead ranging from 80,000 to 300,000,[2] resulting in 50,000 orphaned children.[3] The massacres are named after SultanAbdul Hamid II, who, in his efforts to reinforce the territorial integrity of the embattled Ottoman Empire, reasserted Pan-Islamism as a state ideology.[4] Although the massacres were aimed mainly at the Armenians, they turned into indiscriminate anti-Christian pogroms in some cases, such as in Diyarbekir Vilayet where some 25,000 Assyrians were killed (see also Assyrian genocide).[5]
The massacres began with incidents in the Ottoman interior in 1894, gained full force in the years 1894–96, and tapered off in 1897, as international condemnation brought pressure to bear on Abdul Hamid. Despite the fact that the Ottomans had previously suppressed other revolts, the harshest measures were directed against the Armenian community. They observed no distinction between age or gender, and massacred them with brutal force.[6] This occurred at a time when thetelegraph could spread news around the world, and the massacres received extensive coverage in the media of Western Europe and the United States.The Armenian occupied those cities temporarily at best, they didn't massacre all the inhabitants of those towns. What you claim is pure propaganda. Furthermore, you were massacring the Armenians and Greeks in concentration camps and while they were forced in exile.
They killed innocent woman and children in villages were there were few men left, because most of the men joined the Ottoman Army. The Armenian terrorists destroyed complete cities like Van and Erzurum. Much worse, they wore the uniforms of the Russian and French Army. While the Ottoman Army was busy with the 1st WW, the Armenian and Greek traitors stabbed the Ottoman population in the back. What the Ottoman State did was even humanly, look at what the Russian and US puppet Armenians did in Khocali? The Ottoman State only deported the traitors that stabbed the Ottoman state in the back. This has nothing to do with genocide.
You could have simply allow the Ottoman parliament to function and listen to the grievances of the Armenian and other ethnic groups within the Ottoman empire. It was your mistake to believe they were supposed to follow your orders even when they didn't like them.
The Armenians tried to divide and weaken the Ottoman state from the inner side to make their owners(the English and the Tsar Russians), and the Armenians and their masters were the ones that committed a Muslim Genocide during the 1st WW, the Turks only defended their country, during war, if the enemy tries to kill you, you have to defend your country, this is what we Turks did, the English and their Greek and Armenian puppets tried to kill us and take over our country, and we did not let this happen, and had a victory against them after the Turk War of Independence.
Show me the documents...
Also, there are thousands of documents in the Russian and US Archives, which shows the exact numbers of Armenians whom were deported to Syria(also Ottoman region at that time), and from here to the US and other countries. The numbers show that there is NO KIND OF A GENOCIDE, the population number of the people safely deported is the same as the number of Armenians that lived in Ottoman country before the 1st World War.
The Ottoman empire was not a democracy. It was a despotic regime. Even Kemal Ataturk claimed that the Turkish state waged war against the Ottoman empire and liberated Turkey from the Sultans' yoke!!!
Of course, every human that dies, we should be upset about it, but this was a World War, and if you try to take over the country of the weakened dumb Ottoman dynasty, then the Turks will not surrender, and will defend their country, and that is what we did successfully! End of the Point!
Those were liberation fighters, no different than Kemal Ataturk who also rebelled against the rule of the Sultan and the Ottoman empire, and whose army also committed some massacres - but not as many as the Ottoman regime itself.
Repeat Number Two for Bad Intended Mentally Ill Turk Hating Denial Stress Problems Having People:
Most important examples are the cities Erzurum and Van, the Armenians committed a genocide on the Muslim Turks and Kurds just to fullfill the orders of their Tsar Russian and English masters. The same unhuman situations were performed in all regions of Türkiye.
I really want you to understand what i mean in a good intended way. Think of it like this:
-There is a First World War ongoing.
-Majority of all Muslim men in Ottoman Türkiye did join the Ottoman army to fight against the Tsar Russians and British.
-The villages are left only with women, old people and children.
-Then all the sudden, Armenian terrorist groups like Hinchaks ve Tashnaks whom wore the military uniforms of the Russians, French and British, and were publicly in the service of the Russians, French and British armies, killed and raped the innocent civil(not soldiers) Turks and Kurds and burn and destroy as much as villages as possible(Van and Erzurum completely) with whom they lived together for 1000 years in peace.
There is no treason in undemocratic regimes. People are entitled to seek their freedom and democracy.
-This is treason, and this treason is performed while the majority of the men were fighting in the battle fields against the real enemy armies of the British and Russians and their puppets(like French, Italian, etc.).
There was no direct order from Hitler or anybody else to gas the Jews in the gas chambers. So what?
-The head of the state of the Ottoman Empire did not give any kind of order to massacre the Armenians that committed treason.
Even Perincek accepted that there were massacres against the Armenians. So did Erdogan. You deny even the smallest Ottoman crimes!!!
The Ottoman Army was stabbed in the back, while the Ottoman Army was fighting in war, at the civil regions Armenians were commiting treason. The Ottoman state decided only to deport the Armenian population from "Türkiye"(Anatolia) regions to the region of Syria which was then still under control of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman State(The Turks) DID NOT in any kind of way perform any kind of massacre or genocide against the Armenians.
The real question is how did the Armenians showed up in that village, what they really did, and how come the Turkish troops which were supposedly fighting in the front showed up so far away from the front, and who was guarding the front while they were back home, not to mention that the Ottoman army had attempted an offensive into Russia and faced a crushing defeat. You see, in reality, not all of the Turkish army was on the front, and there were always plenty of troops around Van and Erzerum that didn't really have to be recalled from the front.
Use your logical instincts, if an Armenian group of terrorists kills many of the relatives of a Turk who was in duty in the Ottoman Army, what would a Turk have to do to defend the remaining members of his family in his village?
If the Armenians wore Russian and English uniforms they would have to use them in the front line, not around Van or Erzerum. In reality, the Armenians who served in the Russian and - perhaps - the British army wore those uniforms while serving in the Russian and/or British armies, not while fighting as renegade rebels inside Turkey. If they did so, they would be considered as deserters, because the Russian and British army did not undertake any operations so far inside Turkey, and they would be insane to not attempt to conquer/liberate any areas closer to their lines of defense anyway.
The fact is that the Armenians wore Russian and English military uniforms and tried to take over our country with the performing of hundreds of unhuman campaigns, and we Turks DEFENDED OUR COUNTRY, OUR FAMILIES AND OUR HONOUR SUCCESSFULLY, this is NOT GENOCIDE, this is a WAR, and the Turks were the ones being invaded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovhan...3_ARF_Congress
Of course, many unfortunate situations, revenge killings have happened, but if you look at the Ottoman records, you can see easily that the Ottoman State, executed(sentenced to death) dozens/hundreds of Turks/Kurds whom murdered against the law.
-Reading the following Report of Hovhannes Kajaznuni, the first Prime Minister of the First Republic of Armenia, shows that all my arguments above are completely true:
Kajaznuni prepared a critical report for the April 1923 ARF convention in Bucharest (the 10th Congress of the Party was held in 1924)[3][4] titled "Dashnaktsutyun Has Nothing More to Do," which called for the dissolution of the Party and Armenian support of Soviet Armenia.[5][6][7][8] It has been claimed that the convention of 1923 was "highly secret and closed to the public",[9] which was common for party gatherings. Kajaznuni published his report in Vienna (1923). In the same year, it was republished by non-A.R.F. circles in Tbilisi, Alexandria (Egypt), and Bucarest.[10] Its claims immediately drew rebuke from the party.[11][12][13][14] Until recently, the report was available through its abridged English translation by Matthew Aram Callender, The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnagtzoutiun) Has Nothing to Do Any More, edited byAvedis Boghos Derounian, and published by the Armenian Information Service, directed by the latter.[15] The Armenian original was reprinted twice in Yerevan in 1994 and 1995, and copies of different editions are available through major Armenian libraries worldwide.
In 2007 Turkish historian Mehmet Perinçek,[16] son of politician Doğu Perinçek, the first person to be convicted by a court of law for denial of the Armenian Genocide, claimed to have produced a new Turkish and English translation of the full text, based on a reportedly unabridged Russian copy (printed in Tbilisi, 1927) held in the Russian State Library in Moscow.[17] This story is disputed by some Armenian intellectuals such as Viken L. Attarian, who claim that all these "discoveries" are actually forgeries of this document, made by alleged Turkish unscrupulous historians to rebuke the fact of the Armenian Genocide,[18] which is proven by the fact that the translations of the text in Turkish, English, and German were published by Kaynak Press, Istanbul, as the first in a book series titled "Ermeni Belgeleriyle Ermeni Soykırımı Yalanı," "The Lie of 'Armenian Genocide' in Armenian Documents" and "Die Lüge vom Genozid an den Armeniern Anhand armenischer Dokumente.", whilst in the version which is translated from the original by Matthew A. Callender Kajaznuni describes what happened as "holocaust" (p. 7) and says:
The second half of 1915 and the entire year of 1916 were periods of hopelessness, desperation and mourning for us. The refugees, all those who had survived the holocaust, were filling Russian provinces by tens and hundreds of thousands.[19]Just because somebody massacred some Azerbaijanis is no proof that the Turks have not committed any genocide of their own. The massacre of 161 people is not a genocide either:
-Also, looking at the Turk Genocide in 26 February 1992, which was committed by the Armenians against the Azerbaijani Turks in the Khocali region, we can CONCLUDE, finally that we TURKS DID NEVER COMMIT ANY KIND OF GENOCIDE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_Massacre
The Khojaly Massacre, also known as the Khojaly tragedy, was the killing[3] of at least 161 ethnic Azerbaijani civilians[1] from the town of Khojaly on 25–26 February 1992 by the Armenian and, partially, by CIS armed forces during the Nagorno-Karabakh War. According to the Azerbaijani side, as well as Memorial Human Rights Center, Human Rights Watch and other international observers,[5][6] the massacre was committed by the ethnic Armenian armed forces, reportedly with help of the Russian 366th Motor Rifle Regiment, apparently not acting on orders from the command.[7][8] The death toll claimed by Azerbaijani authorities is 613 civilians, including 106 women and 63 children.[4] The event became the largest massacre in the course of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.[2]
Western governments and the western media refer to it as the "Khojaly massacre", "Khojaly tragedy" or the "Battle for Khojaly".[9] Azerbaijani sources[10][11] occasionally refer to the massacre as "Khojaly genocide" (Azerbaijani: Xocalı soyqırımı) and the "Khojaly tragedy" (Azerbaijani: Xocalı faciəsi).[12]I'll have to post once more the essential (non) judgement of the court about whether there was a genocide or not:
The Armenians murdered in any kind of horrifying unhuman way within only one day, hundreds of innocent Azerbaijani Turks who did not have the proper weapons to defend theirselves. Please have a look at the following pictures to understand what kind of horrifying massacres/genocides the Armenians committed to us Turks in 1992 and understand that the same kind of unhuman acts(massacres/genocides) were also performed during and before the World War 1(1914-1918) against the Türkiye Turks in the Anatolia region.
Repeat Number Three for Bad Intended Mentally Ill Turk Hating Denial Stress Problems Having People:
Do i have to keep repeating the same message, this is what the Court said:
-The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.
-The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.
-In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.
Another new quotation from the official pdf the Court published:
The Court also pointed out that it was not called upon to rule on the legal characterisation of the Armenian genocide. The existence of a “genocide”, which was a precisely defined legal concept, was not easy to prove. The Court doubted that there could be a general consensus as to events such as those at issue, given that historical research was by definition open to discussion and a matter of debate, without necessarily giving rise to final conclusions or to the assertion of objective and absolute truths.
If you still keep on further with your denial problems, go see some doctor and medicate yourself, i am not your doctor
Another quotation:
The applicant, Doğu Perinçek, is a Turkish national who was born in 1942 and lives in Ankara (Turkey). Being a doctor of laws and the Chairman of the Turkish Workers’ Party, Mr Perinçek participated in various conferences in Switzerland in May, July and September 2005, during which he publicly denied that the Ottoman Empire had perpetrated the crime of genocide against the Armenian people in 1915 and the following years. He described the idea of an Armenian genocide as an “international lie”.
The Cassation Division emphasised that Mr Perinçek had only denied the characterisation as genocide without calling into question the existence of the massacres and deportations of Armenians.
Agreeing with Mr Perinçek, the Court took the view that the notion of “genocide” was a precisely defined legal concept. According to the case-law of the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, for the crime of genocide to be made out, the acts must have been perpetrated with intent to destroy not only certain members of a particular group but all or part of the group itself. Genocide was a very narrow legal concept that was, moreover, difficult to substantiate. The Court was not convinced that the general consensus to which the courts referred in convicting Mr Perinçek could relate to such very specific points of law.
In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust. In those cases, the applicants had denied the historical facts even though they were sometimes very concrete, such as the existence of the gas chambers. They had denied the crimes perpetrated by the Nazi regime for which there had been a clear legal basis. Lastly, the acts that they had called into question had been found by an international court to be clearly established.
Lets analyze the following statement:
"it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”
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Synonyms:
It was not called upon to address: It was Not Correct to Define
Veracity: Truthfulness, Conformity to facts; Accuracy
Appropriateness: Rightness
Full Translation:
1a- It was not called upon to address the veracity of the massacres and deportations. =
1b- It was Not Correct to Define the Accuracy of the massacres and deportations =
1c- The massacres and deportations described in the Swiss criminal code are not Accurate.
2a- It was not called upon to address the appropriateness of legally characterising the massacres and deportations as “genocide” =
2b- It was Not Correct to Define the Rightness of the legally characterising of the massacres and deportations as “genocide” =
2c- The massacres and deportations WERE NOT GENOCIDE.
Different example about the term "called upon to address":
The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.
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Do i have to repeat each time, that when you start insulting me, it clearly shows that you are desperate, and that your arguments are of very low quality and are based on non scientific faked up information?
First of all, what is the exact historical source giving the number of between 100.000 and 200.000? And i am not your history teacher, give me the exact ancient source with the quote mentioned with the numbers, DO NOT COME TO ME WITH AN ESTIMATE. Between 100.000 and 200.000 is an estimate, not a fact, the people that estimated this are NOT fortune tellers, so to begin with if you want me to take your argument seriously, make up your arguments in a more scientific way, and i promise you i do not have denial stress problems and hate crime feelings like your kind.
Secondly, how does someone FALL DOWN from a number from 17 MILLION to between 100.000 and 200.000? What are the exact historical documents that lead you to give the number of 17 million? IF YOU CANT PROOF YOURSELF, IF YOU CANT PROOF THE 17 MILLION NUMBER, THEN I DECLARE THAT YOU ARE A SIMPLE LIAR, AND ARE NOT FIT TO CONDUCT A HEALTHY AND SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION, END OF THE POINT! Its obvious your only purpose is to change the subject, like your Turk hating other friends. This topic is about the Armenian Slander, you lost the discussion about that, you do not have any more lies in your closet to use in your arguments, then you start to direct the discussion to another subject, your intentions are so easy to spot
I do not take your numbers serious, what is the historical ancient source for the number of 40.000.000? You wont provide it, because you are a simple liar.
This is a present day book, with a bad intended title including "Al Qaeda". Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization created and still used by the US government. Give me the exact historical ancient source where the number of 17 MILLION and 100.000-200.000 is mentioned.
The US should stop with the false propaganda in which they want to proof that they are against terror, in fact the US is the main source of the majority of all international terrorist and illegal organizations. Did anyone of you know that Osama bin Laden was a CIA agent. Please have a look at the following picture in which Osama bin Laden is trained by CIA agent Zbigniew Brzezinski. How could the El Kaide and the sub group called ISIS be against the US, if they are created and controlled by the US? If the US is the source of dozens of terrorist organizations, then why does the United Nations not put an EMBARGO ON THE US?
Lets talk about the real truth of what happened during the Isfahan situation. What really happened, was:
1. Timur aimed to conquer Isfahan at 1387 AD.
2. Timur and the Isfahan Regime made an Agreement: "If Isfahan surrenders, no harm will come to anyone". It is a tradition in the Turk Culture that if a population surrenders, no harm will be done to them, they can live their religions and culture forever, and it is a well known fact that foreign people always became rich and had high status jobs in the Turk state.
Most important example is Marco Polo, how could such a foreign person become so famous and so rich, if the Turks(Kubilai Khan) were racists? And look at the dozens of examples with Ogedei Khan, when people surrender to Turk rule, they always got peace an equal rights, genocide was never committed.
Look at the Ottoman state history, you will see that Armenians, Jews and other foreign people had always been very rich with high status jobs.
Look at the people Attila trusted most, you will see they were all foreigners. Look at the sources of Priscus, and you will see that foreigners could become very rich merchants under the Hun-Turk rule because of the equal and non racist laws. Look at how noble the Turks are, and look how disgusting, unhuman and racist the US army is with their 1,5 million of genocide against the Iraqi Muslims during a PEACE PERIOD, just for the purpose of WEAPON TRADING, SLAVE TRADING, HUMAN ORGANS TRADING, OIL TRADING!
3. Isfahan surrendered, they agreed with the terms of Timur.
4. 4.000 Chagatayid soldiers of the Army of Timur settled into Isfahan to rule in there.
5. The Isfahani's BROKE THE AGREEMENT, AND KILLED 3.000 OF THE 4.000 CHAGATAYID SOLDIERS. 1.000 Chagatayid soldiers rescued their life's with luck, sheltering in the city.
6. In reaction to this treason and massacre, Timur responds with the killing of 70.000 Isfahani people who were involved in the massacre of the 3.000 Chagatayid soldiers. So, the numbers of 100.000, 200.000 or 17.000.000 is totally a lie. OF COURSE, the death of even 1 innocent person, is something to be sad about. But there is NO GENOCIDE DONE at the situation in Isfahan, this is a clear WAR, and it is the Middle Age period, a period of constant wars and conquest. Altough the agreement and surrender, the Isfahani's kills 3.000 of the 4.000 Chagatayid soldiers, and Timur reacts to this and kills 70.000 of the Isfahani people, this is clearly a WAR!
Source: Prof. Dr. Cüneyt KANAT
You are so imcopetent, you either do not want to understand or really have a low IQ and cant understand what i really meant with the Ottoman example. Timur, and Ottoman sultan Yildirim Beyazid, were BOTH TURKS and were BOTH NOT RACISTS and both DID NOT COMMIT ANY GENOCIDE. And Mongols are not a different nation, the term "Mongol" is the name of a Turk confederation of tribes beginning from the 12th century AD.
What i was trying to teach you, was that if Timur was a racist, and if he had goals for genocide, then he would NOT have attacked the Ottoman Empire. In fact, the only goal of Timur was to expand his Empire, and honour, respect and promises were very important to Timur. In fact, the respectless letters of Yildirim Beyazid were the reasons for Timur to attack the Ottoman army, he had no goal for any kind of genocide. During his conquest plans, he gave peace and equal rights to all populations that surrendered, there are clear examples about this.
No, you are twisting my arguments. "All" or "One" does not matter, i did not imply that it is necessary to destroy ALL foreign ethnic groups, what i meant was that IF a state will have the goal to on purposely "DESTROY" ONE OR MORE OF ALL FOREIGN ETHNIC GROUPS within its borders, then this is GENOCIDE. Actually you understood very good what i meant.
The French and the Germans(Allemagne) are both tribes of ancient "Germanic" origin. Again, you are so incompetent and so ignorant NOT TO KNOW THIS SIMPLE FACT. So, the reason why the Nazi's did not touch the French, is because they are historically of the same ethnic origin.
A war is between TWO ARMIES, civil people are not part of a war. Genocide, is when CIVIL NON MILITARY PEOPLE gets killed by "another state or organization" on purposely with racist reasons, with or without the goal for conquest. During a War, there are many rules, the honourfull Turk history is full with examples of how these rules and ethical traditions are conducted by the Turks during the wars. Look at the historical records of the Battle of Gallipolli during the First World War(1914-1918), ask any present day Australian people, they will confirm "HOW NOBLE THE TURK CULTURE IS". During the Battle of Gallipolli, the Turkish soldiers WERE SUCH NOBLE PEOPLE, they gave treatment(during the battle) to the foreign Australian-British enemy soldiers who were screaming for help because of their wounds and by the way were trying to invade our country(not successful of course).
These are non scientific numbers, and are LIES, and i have proven in the previous examples very hardly how wrong your numbers are. Your statements do not mean anything, and are not reliable, not at all. Your insulting words only give confidence to me, because it shows that i am right
Which historical record shows, that during the peaceful Ottoman rule of Iraq, that only within 12 years there was made a genocide of 1,5 million innocent civil non military Muslims? Dont worry, you will not be able to come up with an example in the Ottoman period, because Muslims lived in peace during the Ottoman rule of Iraq. Again, the situation between Timur and Yildirim Beyazid is a WAR between TWO MILITARY ARMIES. The situation of the US army in Iraq, IS NOT A WAR. The British already conquered Iraq after the 1st WW, then after the 2nd WW the US army took over the Iraqi rule from their brother British army. In 2003, the US again invaded Iraq which was already their own property, and again got control of the country only within a couple of weeks. But after they controlled the situation in Iraq, and after the change of the Iraqi government, after the installation of new US-CIA puppets in the Iraqi government, Iraq was not a country in War anymore. So, between 2003 and 2015, within a peaceful period of time, the US army and their puppet terrorist organizations and their controlled sleeper cells MADE AN OBVIOUSLY CLEAR GENOCIDE ON 1,5 MILLION MUSLIM IRAQIS ONLY WITHIN 12 YEARS, and i dont count the Genocides performed by the UK and US between 1918 and 2003 in Iraq. Also not counting about the Muslim Genocide committed by the US army in Afghanistan.
Again, stop it with your denial stress disease. Go see a doctor or something, and get yourself immediately medicated, your health is not going into the good direction
They are not alive, you are making unsubstantiated leaps in logic. Many of the people in the photos are murdered, i dont think you are blind, and the truth stand for itself, you can keep on with your denying process, what happened in there is an UNHUMAN ACT OF THE US ARMY WHICH IS CALLED "THE ABU GHRAIB GENOCIDE". These Muslims were made "Şehit", so they were all killed after the torturing, experimenting and organ trading unhuman business processes were finished.
Additional photos to enlighten your unhuman soul:
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Believe me, the Ottoman Empire was more democratic and gave more rights to foreign people than to his own Turk people. While the Oghuz Turkmen, Kipchak and Karluk Turks(mostly farmers, Yoruk lifestyle) were living poor lives, the foreign people like the majority of Armenians, Greeks, Jews, Serbs, etc. were all people with high status jobs in the Ottoman state, and the Ottoman state gave them the freedom and even more rights for trading and personal businesses. Read the historical documents, you will see that my arguments are true.
Non Turks were more rich than the Turks, during the Ottoman period, what kind of equal rights and democracy do you want more? You can not provide any kind of non democratic unhuman acts of the Ottoman state against the foreign populations. The Armenians lived 1000 years together in peace with the Turks, then all the sudden beginning with the 1st WW they start rebelling, does this sound logical? No, it is not logical, because Hovannes Kajaznuni itself confirmed they were used and deceived by the British and Tsar Russians!
Wikipedia is such an academic source, isnt it(being sarcastic)?
1. The Tsar Russian Empire and their masters the British Empire builded the Dashnaktsutyun and Hinchak Terrorist Organizations in 1887 and 1890.
2. The goal of the Tsar Russian Empire and the British Empire for building the Dashnaktsutyun and Hinchak was to DIVIDE THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE.
3. The Dashnaktsutyun and Hinchak terrorists made genocide on hundreds of thousands of Muslim Turks and Kurds starting from 1887 and 1890. At the bottom, i will provide many sources and links, showing clearly what kind of Muslim Genocide the Dashnaktsutyun and Hinchak terrorists made beginning from 1887 and 1890.
4. The Ottoman Empire builded the "Hamidiye Alayları" in 1891 to form a defense against these Dashnaktsutyun and Hinchak terrorists whom were the puppets of the Tsar Russian Empire and the British Empire. The Tsar Russian Empire and the British Empire tried to divide and conquer the Ottoman Empire with military actions, and as a logical reaction the Ottoman Empire defended its independency by reacting with counter military reactions. This is a WAR, NOT A GENOCIDE. It was a preview of the First World War that was coming to start very soon. The Ottoman Empire was tired, and ready fall apart, the [B]Armenians were proudly being used as puppets, and hereby betrayed their Ottoman Turk and Kurd countrymen, with the genocides they performed against the civil non military Muslims in Anatolia, especially in Eastern Anatolian regions.
5. Mutual massacres occurred, Muslim and Christian soldiers, it was a brutal war. But the most important part, during a peace period, the Armenians who were living in the Ottoman territories(were not living in the Russian territories) performed major genocides on the civil non military innocent defenseless Muslim Turks and Kurds in the Eastern Anatolian regions like Van and Erzurum. The unhuman acts of the Armenian terrorist groups were so huge, the number of the Muslim population in the cities like Van and Erzurum were completely erased, because they were mostly murdered by the Armenians. After these Muslim genocides many Eastern Anatolian regions were added to the Tsar Russian Empire. But of course, during the Turk War of Independence, with the fall of the Tsar Russia and the rise of the Soviet Revolution, all these Eastern Anatolian regions were conquered back from the Russians by the Turks.
6. Reading the following Report of Hovhannes Kajaznuni, the first Prime Minister of the First Republic of Armenia, shows that all my arguments above are completely true:
Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=12301Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5557Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5547Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5556Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5550Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5548FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRUTH REGARDING THE ARMENIAN SLANDER, PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT THE SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES LOCATED AT THE FOLLOWING PAGES TO ENLIGHTEN YOURSELF:Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5540
Ermeni Tehciri ve Terörist Ülke Ermenistan
My Father Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, seperates two periods of the Ottoman Empire, the rise and the fall periods. During the fall period, the final Ottoman sultans were traitors and were puppets of the British Empire. I never said there was a democracy in the Ottoman Empire system, but the fact is for sure that the Ottoman Empire gave more rights to the PEOPLE OF FOREIGN ETHNIC ORIGIN, than they gave to their OWN PEOPLE WITH TURK ORIGIN. This shows the Ottoman Empire was never RACIST, and they NEVER COMMITTED ANY KIND OF GENOCIDE!
By the way, which Middle Age country or empire was democratic? Not even one, maybe France temporarily with Napoleon Bonaparte, but this is so late in the beginning of the 19th century. Except this, which country or empire was NOT RULED WITH A ROYAL FAMILY? No one, so to only accuse the Ottoman Empire being not democratic is only related with your hate crime feelings against us Turks. The fact is that neither the British Empire, nor the Tsar Russia was democratic, both were ruled by royal families. IN FACT, while the modern Türkiye is being ruled with a democratic system, the UK and the US are still ruled in a non democratic Middle Age monarchy system. Not to forget that a system with only one president, is equal to monarchy. And have a look at the other modern present day Western European countries like the Netherlands, all being ruled with a "king" or a "queen" at the top, is this a democratic system? No, of course not!
Are you serious, or joking, i hope you are joking, because i am starting to have the feeling that taking you serious until now, has been a complete waste of time. Altough all of these low quality messages of the Turk hating members on this forum, my arguments obviously have shown what the truth is about the subject. In my next posts, i will not waste my time on such ignorant posts claiming that Hitler did not order directly anyone to the gas chambers, i will just simply skip these simple trolling comments, just to give you guys a warning from the beginning
I never did deny there was no massacres committed against the Armenians. In fact, there were mutual massacres committed, but the Armenians and their masters(Tsar Russians and the British) were the one committing the GENOCIDES. In case you did not know, the term "massacre" is not equal to the term "genocide". You obviously did not read my previous messages, read them before you twist my messages. The Ottoman state did not have such a genocide/massacre policy, and the Ottoman state sentenced hundreds of Muslim Turks and Kurds who made personal revenge killings on the Ottoman territories against civil Armenians. I guess you know what revenge killings are, these are the personal killings done by Muslim Turks and Kurds of whom family members where massacred by the Armenians, whom were being used by the British and Tsar Russian Empires. By the way, not to forget the fact that it was the 1st World War, and the Ottoman Empire and the Turks were being invaded by several states and terrorist organizations like the Greek and Armenian terrorist organizations. We Turks were being invaded, and our enemies conducted genocide on our people, and we defended our country, and forced all enemies to flee out of the country, and won our independency with the Turk War of Independence. Only the bad intended people with DENIAL STRESS PROBLEMS do not have the competency to understand these simple facts, i advise those people to see a doctor and medicate yourself, maybe you will find your soul
To make an off topic comment, i hope the members of the European Court of Human Rights associated with this case, will read the arguments used in this topic and the links provided in this topic. After all of these very strong arguments, i am sure they will be 100% convinced about the FACT THAT the Armenian Slander is a bad intended political material being used by the US state to put pressure to the FULLY INDEPENDENT TÜRKİYE OF THE TÜRKS. The US knows they can not beat the Turk Armed Forces with a military battle, therefore they feel the urge, to conduct a psychological warfare against the Turks, about the subjects of which the truth is so obviously clear. But we must accept that the US controls the international media and they spend many budgets for their international online trolls, thats why they have power in the spreading of their simple but bad intended NON SCIENTIFIC LIES. But, the real Atatürkists like myself will battle against this type(or other types) of warfare forever, dont worry about it.
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The international criminal responsibility of the perpetrators of the Khojaly Genocide
Date 27.02.15, 11:08
The sad experience of history shows that international crime invariably accompanies human society. Indigenous interests of states, as well as security and stability on the planet depend on the ability and commitment of the international community to combat international crimes.
Aggression and crimes against humanity committed by the Nazi regime during the Second World War, the terrible history of the Holocaust and concentration camps, deportations and bombing, in general – massive and flagrant violations of human rights clearly demonstrated the shortcomings and tragic failures of the international community to respond these crimes timely and appropriately.
In response to the horrors of Nazism the United Nations Organization (UNO, UN) was founded in 1945 upon the initiative of the victorious powers of the Second World War. The main objectives of the UN, along with maintaining international peace and security, are to achieve international cooperation, development and human rights, as laid down in article 1 of the UN Charter.
Following this global significant event in order to bring to the justice the individuals who committed the most serious international crimes during the Second World War the Nuremberg and Tokyo international military tribunals were established. It must be noted that this is the first practice in the world history when individuals – Nazi war criminals and the Japanese militarists, were brought to international criminal responsibility.
The jurisdiction of the tribunals included crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Special attention deserves the fact that the official position of defendants was neither considered as a ground for exemption from responsibility or mitigating punishment nor released from liability the fact that the defendant acted according to order of the government or order of the commanders.
These standards have been further developed and consolidated in practice of ad hoc courts established for the purpose to bring individuals to the international criminal responsibility. So, in the mid of 1990th in order to bring individuals to criminal liability the International Criminal Tribunal for the prosecution of persons responsible for serious violations of international humanitarian law committed in the territory of the former Yugoslavia and the International Criminal Tribunal for the prosecution of persons responsible for genocide and other serious violations of international humanitarian law committed in the territory of Rwanda and Rwandan citizens responsible for genocide and other international crimes, committed in the territory of neighboring states were established by the UN Security Council.
The fact that in order to justify the decision about creating this international courts the UN Security Council referred to the Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, dedicated to the action with respect to threats to the peace, breaches of the peace, and acts of aggression was very remarkable.
Thus, the international community, acting through the UN, particularly through the Security Council, designed to maintain international peace and security, 3 authorized (and, as shown by the above precedents, quite effective) to respond to international crimes, involving the responsibility of the perpetrators of international crimes.
It turns out that the UN Security Council conducts a "differentiation" in the choice of questions "greatest" and "least" important. Ilham Aliyev, the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan in his numerous speeches for the international audience has pointed out that while the famous UN resolutions on NagornKarabakh conflict have not been implemented for twenty years, the other resolutions of this organization are implemented in just few hours.
The logical consequence of this indifferent attitude of the international community to the conflict is the fact of impunity Armenian officials who
committed the massacres of Azerbaijani population of Nagorno-Karabakh, violating their natural and guaranteed rights by the aforementioned catalog of international treaties the fundamental right to life.
The 23rd anniversary of the Khojaly Genocide where 613 civilians were killed, including 63 children, 106 women and 70 elderly people is approaching. And again and again, wondering when, finally, this unprecedented in its cruelty international crime in the history of modern Azerbaijan will be given full political and legal assessment by the international community, when the perpetrators of these brutal
acts will be prosecuted and incur the appropriate penalty?
It must be emphasized that at the time when the crime was committed in Khojaly Azerbaijan had recently regained its independence living in the state of political chaos, hadn`t developed and organized patterns of diplomatic and informational presence in the world.
While the Armenian side due to its financial wealth and influential diaspora and with the support of world powers were able to "get away" from the international responsibility and public condemnation. Moreover, the immediate organizers and perpetrators of the Khojaly genocide Robert Kocharian, Serzh Sargsyan, Seyran Ohanyan and others, without judicial sentence and the corresponding penalties, 4 held the positions of presidents and ministers, while not denying their involvement in the crime and appreciating it as "the heroism of the Armenian people".
Today Azerbaijan is a modern, successfully developing, democratic, tolerant state with the highest international authority, the growing foreign policy capabilities and influence in the region.
The chances of our country to be heard in the world incomparably increased. It is enough to mention the fact that parliaments of dozen countries have recognized massacre in Khojaly as an international crime. The initiated by the Vice-President of the Heydar Aliyev Foundation Leyla Aliyeva campaign "Justice for Khojaly", through which the objective information about this tragedy is channeled to the world plays a huge role in this process.
Thus, a strong economic foundation, systematic, diplomatic work, increased international image and public information activities of our country on a global scale are not that other, as finally formed, and a solid foundation to appeal to international bodies with the initiative of establishing the international tribunal.
Note that the Military Prosecutor`s office of the Republic of Azerbaijan collected extensive material on the massacres in Khojaly, which can be represented in the UN Security Council for the establishment of the Khojaly Tribunal. The other question is that whether the international community will express appropriate interest and political will from which the final outcome of this process will depend on.
http://en.azvision.az/The_internatio...252-xeber.html
http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic....p=15649#p15649
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Aydos Sarım(Kazakistan'ın tanınmış siyasi uzmanlarından): "Karabağ’da savaş başlarsa, Kazakistan’dan yüzlerce binlerce gönüllü Azerbaycan’ın tarafında savaşacaktır"
Aydos Sarım(well-known political expert from Kazakhstan): "If a war starts in Karabakh hundreds of thousands of volunteers from Kazakhstan will fight on the side of Azerbaijan"
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European Court of Human Rigths: "Armenia Unlawfully Occupied Azerbaijan Territory"
European Court of Human Rights: "Armenian Deportation Is Not a Genocide"
2015-07-07
Interview by Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov on the case of Chiragov and others v. Armenia
Question: On 16 June 2015, the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) announced its judgment (Merits) on the case of Chiragov and others v. Armenia. At the outset, could you please provide some general background information on this case?
Elmar Mammadyarov: As you know, the case that you are referring to originated in an application against the Republic of Armenia lodged with the ECHR on 6 April 2005 by six Azerbaijani nationals, who were forcibly expelled from the occupied Lachin district of Azerbaijan during the Armenian aggression. In essence, the applicants submitted to the Court that they were prevented from returning to their homes in the Lachin district and were thus unable to enjoy their properties located there due to continuing occupation of the district of Lachin by the armed forces of Armenia. They submitted that this amounted to continuing violations of their property rights, guaranteed under Article 1 of Protocol No. 1 to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and Article 8 of the Convention that protects the right to respect for private and family life. They also submitted that there was a violation of Article 13 of the Convention in that no effective remedy was available in respect of the above complaints. Finally, with a view to all complaints set out above, they complained that they were subjected to discrimination by virtue of ethnic origin and religious affiliation in violation of Article 14 of the Convention.
Question: What the general conclusion the Court has arrived at?
Elmar Mammadyarov: The Court ruled in favor of the applicants, recognizing continuing violations by Armenia of a number of their rights under the Convention. However, the importance of this ruling by an authoritative international court as this one goes beyond that.
Question: What is in view of the Republic of Azerbaijan the primary significance of this judgment by ECHR?
Elmar Mammadyarov: The judgment of the Court is indeed significant from a number of angles. First and foremost, ECHR effectively put an end to Armenia’s persistent denial of its responsibility for the unlawful occupation of and military presence in the territories of Azerbaijan. As is known, since the beginning of Armenian aggression and in the course of the Court’s proceedings in this case, in its usual attempts to mislead the international community and distort the root causes and essence of the conflict, the Republic of Armenia alleged that its jurisdiction did not extend to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding territories; that it did not and could not have effective control of or exercise any public power on those territories; that it had not participated in the military conflict in question; that it had not taken part in the seizure of the Lachin district and in any later military actions; and that it did not have any military presence in Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding territories.
The Court, having examined the evidence presented to it by the applicants and the Government of Azerbaijan rejected all these allegations submitted by Armenia.
Furthermore, in paragraphs 14-18 of the judgment, ECHR noted in particular, that the war had started with calls for the incorporation of Nagorno-Karabakh into Armenia and specifically referred in that regard to a joint resolution on the “reunification” adopted in December 1989 by the Supreme Soviet of the Armenian SSR and the Nagorno-Karabakh regional council. Essentially, the Court confirmed that Armenia’s territorial claims and its attempts aimed at annexation of a part of the territory of Azerbaijan were the root cause of this armed conflict and triggered a full-fledged war.
In paragraph 180, the Court also confirmed, and I am quoting the judgment here, that “the Republic of Armenia, through its military presence and the provision of military equipment and expertise, has been significantly involved in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict from an early date”, that “[t]his military support has been – and continues to be – decisive for the conquest of and continued control over the territories in issue” and that “…the evidence … convincingly shows that the armed forces of Armenia and the ‘NKR’ are highly integrated”. Based on this and other evidence testifying to the political, financial and other dependence of the separatist entity from Armenia, the Court in paragraph 186 concluded that “… the Republic of Armenia, from the early days of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, has had a significant and decisive influence over the ‘NKR’, that the two entities are highly integrated in virtually all important matters and that this situation persists to this day” and that “the ‘NKR’ and its administration survives by virtue of the military, political, financial and other support given to it by Armenia which, consequently, exercises effective control over Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding territories, including the district of Lachin”.
European Court of Human Rigths: "Armenia Unlawfully Occupied Azerbaijan Territory"
European Court of Human Rights: "Armenian Deportation Is Not a Genocide"
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