Race of the ancient Romans?

[Sarmata]

I read once that Ancient Romans were similar to their neighbors from the North-Celts. From ancient romans statues strikes clearly European features.They had booth longer and shorter faces(CM's) but Aurignacids seems to be predominant(Medds(Atlanto Meds), Dinarics,).
I wonder how those people looked with their original pigmentation?






However sterotypical Roman is Med-Dinaric mix with characteristic "eagle nose".

Raymond Domenech(French) looks like one of them:

[Hussar]

Out of it:
All quite progressive and largely fit into the Mediterranid-/Atlanto-Nordid with Dinarid and Alpinoid tendencies scheme of the basic Roman population type. This was a rather stable breed, going after the cemeteries, similar to "Keltic Nordic", just somewhat shorter, more robust and broader build - so a little bit more of a Cromagno-Alpinoid strain or tendency at work in comparison.

It's right, Agrippa.

But prescinding such considerations, most of peoples fail to see that the so called "roman population" (belonging to the "basic roman stock" you mention), was just a fraction of the poulation of italian peninsula.

Figurative art/sculpture rapresent the upper class obviously. So it's interesting , anthropologically, to point out the thing, but if not adequately explained we risk to keep alive a big equivokation.

I think........even before asking "the race of ancient romans" we should ask " WHO are today the nearest descendnts (genetically) of the ancient romans ?
If we want to find peoples of the same genetic stock of the ancient romans, then WHERE should we go ?

[San Galgano]

Yeah, him and Rambo

Stallone is not from my region but from southern Italy.

Anyway, Rambo would have kicked people all around the empire and beyond.

[San Galgano]

Wogs.

Sometimes being a wog is not so bad.



LOL
Anyway those "wogs" are probably not even romans but egyptians or middle easterners and the guy could be easily a free slave.

[San Galgano]

Raymond Domenech(French) looks like one of them:

Raymond Domenech is originally from Spain, not France.

[Cato]

Sometimes being a wog is not so bad.



LOL
Anyway those "wogs" are probably not even romans but egyptians or middle easterners and the guy could be easily a free slave.

Freed slaves, who could come from anywhere within or without the empire, often became citizens and, hence, Romans. There was an entire line of emperors of Illyrian (Balkan) origin (such as Diocletian). Trajan was from Italica in modern-day Spain. Augustus himself came from Velitrae, a city of the Volscians, a fierce enemy to Rome in her early days who were eventually conquered and granted the citizenship.

[San Galgano]

Freed slaves, who could come from anywhere within or without the empire, often became citizens and, hence, Romans. There was an entire line of emperors of Illyrian (Balkan) origin (such as Diocletian). Trajan was from Italica in modern-day Spain. Augustus himself came from Velitrae, a city of the Volscians, a fierce enemy to Rome in her early days who were eventually conquered and granted the citizenship.

Yeah of course but that doesn't clear the question of the thread i think.
It would be like asking how the first european colonizers of N.America were taking in account the waves of mexicans of the later times.
Anyway many freed slaves not even set foot in Italy and only it was granted them to be romans because they were in some part of the empire.



At a certain point every italic became a roman citizen and freed from paying taxes save the ones to support the army.
The roman citizenship outside of Italy has been a longer process from long time later.

Trajan as well as Seneca were born in Spain but from italic families moved there from the surrounding area of Latium and their families were called "hispaniensis" that is "not from Spain".

[Cato]

Trajan as well as Seneca were born in Spain but from italic families moved there from the surrounding area of Latium and their families were called "hispaniensis" that is "not from Spain".

Thanks, I suspected as much but wasn't sure.

[San Galgano]

Thanks, I suspected as much but wasn't sure.

you are welcome! up

[Agrippa]

In the early times the basic type described was fairly common though, for quite some time, especially in the common people and it could be detected in some colonised areas, in Roman soldier's cemeteries etc. too.

So the average seem to have been quite of that kind, for quite some time in Rome and the question remains too, how much different the Etruscans and other Italics actually were, because it doesn't seem they were so completely different, neither were much of the Celts and Illyrians (immigrants, mercenaries-soldiers, slaves).

At that time, the differences in Europe were probably less pronounced than they are now anyway, at least going after the record...