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    Quote Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis View Post
    On the basis of certain idiosyncratic innovations shared by Albanian and Messapic and a couple of striking lexical items Hamp (personal communication) now believes Albanian to be related to, but not descended from, Illyrian. [See also Hamp (1981/1982, 1992b, 2002) on various historical reconstructions of evidence for earlier Balkan linguistic process
    Eric Hamp is beyond any doubt one of the most renowned Indo-Europanist. Albanian falls among his major interest for he has authored dozens of articles relating certain facets of Albanian phonology and morphology. Either way, Eric Hamp’s main advantage is that he intertwined his keen knowledge with direct contacts with Albanian-speakers of rare dialects (like that of arbëresh on Southern Italy). In his early writings, Hamp opted strongly for Illyrian origin of Albanian emphasizing some common elements. Truth be told, in the ensuing years he became more and more suspicious concerning Illyrian and viewed it as a “slippery entity”. His recent idea has Albanian as a sole survivor of a language which once was spoken from the Carpathian mountains all the way to Albania. Then again, professor Hamp is too circumspect to ascribe the antecedent of Albanian whether as Dacian or Illyrian as long as both of them are fairly obscure languages. I did have the good fortune to hear an impressive lecture of Hamp during a conference held in Tirana on December 2008. Despite his age, Hamp with his unparalleled wit analyzed in a thorough insightful manner two ostensibly Latin words, which according to him, were borrowed by Illyrian. He stated that the specific development of these two words in Albanian (thikë, thupën respectively) makes it likely they were introduced by ancestors of Albanians on Latin. Moreover, in a couple of interviews on this occasion, Hamp clung on Illyrian thesis as the most likely one. Whereas in a more recent publication, professor Hamp averred a common trait shared by both Illyrian (and Messapic likewise), Albanian and Balto-Slavic which is the lengthening of syllable before obstruents, otherwise known as Winter’s law. Unfortunately, I am clueless on which particular examples Hamp substantiated his claim.
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    I thought vre was a Turkish word but it turns out it derives from 're' which derives from ancient Greek

    re is being used to emphasize somethining

    Vre and ore are found often in folk greek songs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    I thought vre was a Turkish word but it turns out it derives from 're' which derives from ancient Greek

    re is being used to emphasize somethining

    Vre and ore are found often in folk greek songs
    Is 'ore' used to attract attention of someone, if that person is male? And if so, what is the equivalent if the person is female?

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    Quote Originally Posted by altin View Post
    Is 'ore' used to attract attention of someone, if that person is male? And if so, what is the equivalent if the person is female?
    Ori/Mori is used mostly for females, even though in the figure of speech sometimes you also use Ore/More for females as well.
    It's like malaka. This is for males. The equivalent for females is malakismeni and/or malako, but malaka is also widely used between females.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    I thought vre was a Turkish word but it turns out it derives from 're' which derives from ancient Greek
    re is being used to emphasize somethining
    Vre and ore are found often in folk greek songs
    I had the same impression with you!
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    BTW - you having a picture of Pyrrhus as your avatar is the Albanian equivalent of Michael Jackson bleaching his skin white.

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    It is no wonder we have affinity with Messapian languages.

    Messapian may have been related to the Illyrian language.

    Messapian (/mɛˈsæpiən, mə-, -ˈseɪ-/; also known as Messapic) is an extinct Indo-European language of southeastern Italy, once spoken in the region of Apulia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messapian_language
    It is a shame we cannot prove Illyrian-Albanian affinity yet due to lack of material.

    Right now,Albanian language is pointing towards Illyro-Thracian sprachbund direction having affinity with both Messapian and Aromanian which is itself an eastern paleo-balkan language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altin View Post
    Is 'ore' used to attract attention of someone, if that person is male? And if so, what is the equivalent if the person is female?
    It can also translate as 'hey' I guess

    F.ex Ore pedia = hey children

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen B View Post
    Ori/Mori is used mostly for females, even though in the figure of speech sometimes you also use Ore/More for females as well.
    It's like malaka. This is for males. The equivalent for females is malakismeni and/or malako, but malaka is also widely used between females.
    from ancient greek moros (=moron), but we use it as slang

    It would be interesting to know if Turks use vre too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spanish catalan View Post
    have one european language similar to albanian?
    Romanian is closest, probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by here View Post
    Romanian is closest, probably
    That's weird... I don't understand anything from it, albanian is as foreign to me as hungarian.

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