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    Quote Originally Posted by Sockorer View Post
    North Africans are literally Sand Niggers.

    If you think a substantial portion of them look "White" then you're probably a non-White.

    I bet you think lots of Arabs, Caucasians, Turks, Persians, Siberians and Central Asians look White too.
    well some of them do have sort of "euro" look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsSPF View Post
    Yes, many North Africans do the same error. I would talk only however for Maghreb + Libya because Egypt is a different case.
    Arabisation of Maghrebi countries were only linguistically and culturally and is not even total but partial and a bit superficial. Many Arabs don't consider us as Arabs since our culture is completely different and Middle Eastern don't understand our dialect.
    Maghreb are Arabized Berber countries but not Arab countries and the difference is here.
    I was refering to the culture mostly; as far as I know Berbers have their own languages. Obviously, there is an Arabic either.

    What about Carthaginians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sockorer View Post
    North Africans are literally Sand Niggers.

    If you think a substantial portion of them look "White" then you're probably a non-White.

    I bet you think lots of Arabs, Caucasians, Turks, Persians, Siberians and Central Asians look White too.
    Also the term "White" can mean different things in many parts of the world. It does not always refer to only Europeans. For example, in Southeast Asian countries like Thailand, "White" can mean light-skin rather than "Euro" looking. Some Asians will call people with light-skin "White" even if they are not of Euro descent. So it is possible in some case certain non-whites will consider other non-Whites with light-skin as "White" than rather a European with a more olive skin complexion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caribbean Islander View Post
    well some of them do have sort of "euro" look.
    Again, no such thing (just as Kenyans and Ghanaians don't look particularly alike either): http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...e-and-contrast

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    Back to the topic, so SSA admix varies by region in North Africa with certain areas like Coastal areas with almost to none SSA while other places like Southern part of Morocco have a lot of negroid influence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ołówek View Post
    I was refering to the culture mostly; as far as I know Berbers have their own languages. Obviously, there is an Arabic either.

    What about Carthaginians?
    Culturally, Berber speakers protected a bit better their culture than the "others" but even "Arabized" Berber are not culturally totally Arabs. The culture and traditions are Berber with significant Arab influences (and many other else like Arabo-andalusian one, French, Ottoman etc...) due mainly to religion which participate a lot to the arabisation of Maghreb. Even Berber speakers were influenced by Arab culture.
    However, arabisation was very slow in Maghreb and lasted centuries and is not even complete right now since you still have Berber speakers in few regions because of landscapes conditions (high mountains, desert) which made "arabisation" more slowly and harder in this region.
    Berber speakers are bilingual people through and speak currently Maghrebi Arabic.

    Carthaginians ? You mean Tunisians ? The same for them but Arabisation worked better for them than in Algeria and Morocco but they still stay Arabized berbers. Morocco is the least Arab influenced country in Maghreb (50% of people speak berber which is not the case in Algeria) and is genetically the "purest" berber country in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caribbean Islander View Post
    Also the term "White" can mean different things in many parts of the world. It does not always refer to only Europeans. For example, in Southeast Asian countries like Thailand, "White" can mean light-skin rather than Euro looking. Some Asians will call people with light-skin "White" even if they are not of Euro descent. So it is possible some Mongoloids will consider non-Whites with light-skin as "White" than rather a European with a more olive skin complexion.
    Yes of course it can mean different things to different people.

    It's pretty common for people to have a loose conception of out groups.

    For example I've talked to Blacks who think Modern Egyptians are White.
    And of course I, and other White people, tend to consider mulattoes "Black" and Eurasians "Asian".
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    Is Libya mostly Berber or Arab ancestry? Are there any Berber ancestry in Egypt?

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    Most North-Africans look like some type of Middle-Eastern / Mediterannean. Also many North-Africans do show part Black-African / Negroid influences in their phenotypes. I have only seen a few Moroccan-Berbers here in the Netherlands which I would consider of a pure Mediterannean phenotype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caribbean Islander View Post
    Back to the topic, so SSA admix varies by region in North Africa with certain areas like Coastal areas with almost to none SSA while other places like Southern part of Morocco have a lot of negroid influence?
    Well, northern parts have generally less SSA admixture than southern ones in Maghreb. Of course you can have few cases + slave trade + immigration in big cities make possible to find few more than usual SSA admixed people in northern/central parts (and it can be sometimes visible on their phenotypes) which is true on the north can be true on the south where you can find "light" people. However, in general, disparities are mainly from north to south. Northern Maghrebis are "lighter" than Southern ones.

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