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    What are your opinions on homeschooling? Is it in your country? Should it be legal? Do you consider it a generally positive or negative movement? Have you met or dealt with homeschoolers, and what you think of them?
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    I think it works pretty well, it is not really nowdays homeschooling though, but it is rather internet-schooling, parents are not that needed anymore, unlike before the rise of internet. Usually kids are doing better when home-schooled than in public schools, it is more peaceful learning environment and no bullying. Obviously if the parents are crazy and home is like hell on earth then it isnt that good idea.

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    Υes and no.
    Its good because you can avoid bullying, and the home/teach (parent or other), can monitor more closely the kids learning, and advance as fast as it is possible .
    Its bad because school also offer socialization and friends, which are vital to a kid, apart from his/her family.

    In my country, its isn't legal.
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    I don't think that shutting a child away from society and trying to wrap them up in protective cotton-wool is too healthy for them tbh.

    Even taking your toddler/s to 'Little Angels' groups and 'One O'Clock' parent and toddler groups is invaluable for their social development and gives mums the ability to meet other parents and toddlers prior to their nursery school years.

    How many children do you have and what age level are they currently at? How much research have you done into your local nurseries, playschools and schools? Some nurseries offer early ballet classes and music lessons when you look around at all the choices available.

    Not everyone can afford to send their child to some aristocratic elite public (private) school, such as Eton, where royal family members and Conservative politicians often study, or to Cambridge or Oxford University.... or to a private boarding school... but there's still a range of options of schools for the middle classes and the working-classes to choose from too, and some good comprehensive schools with high ratings and exam pass rates can be found amongst them.

    People are often judged in English society by which school and university they went to and who their associates and aquaintances are, as society is very elitist, non-egalitarian and classist in the UK;- especially in England.

    My maternal great aunty was privately schooled at home and she's a bit snooty but charming and charismatic, and she's never worked a day in her life. She stayed at home to raise her children (which is hard work in itself) and she lives very well and comfortably with her life-long husband - and her grandson is now a doctor and G.P. who moved to live in the US, while her brother (one of my great uncles) had a different education to her and he went to a privately-funded boarding and residential school and he worked in astronomy and science - but has now retired, and their brother (my maternal grandfather) simply went to a grammar secondary school and he went to ordinary Church of England primary and junior schools.... and he became a professional gardener.

    My sister also passed her 11+ exams and was able to go to a free grammar school for intelligent children, (Grammar Schools are single-sex schools for girls or boys who've academically earned their place there by passing their exams by age eleven, rather than coming from rich families who pay for their children to go to a certain school, even if their child isn't academically bright.) She speaks fluent High German and learnt Latin too as grammar school students are usually good achievers in life. Grammar schools are sadly being phased-out though by the government. (UKIP wants to preserve and save our Grammar Schools though.)

    Two of my maternal cousins went to an ordinary comprehensive school as their parents couldn't afford to send them to a private school... but both he and his sister academically earned themselves scholarships to study at a posher school for free - and their school looked like something out of Harry Potter.

    My son goes to a residential boarding school in the countryside in Hampshire, next to the county of Dorset where I grew up, and he absolutely loves it there. When a child is very happy with their school, then you know it's right for them. If a child looks miserable and doesn't like going to their school, then something is wrong.

    One of my paternal cousins was an only child and absolutely spoiled by his overly-protective parents. He was hyperactive and misbehaved in his comprehensive school... to the point of expulsion. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...-Spoiled-Brats

    So his parents paid for him to go to a private stage school after his expulsion, and he learned to tap-dance and play the piano well.... he was quite an extroverted show-off as a child and the complete opposite of me and my shy and quiet sisters.

    The media described him as a talented pianist and a music composer and director for West-End musical productions, and he also taught schoolboys music and piano lessons... but he was jailed for six months after downloading sick child porn on his computer, of which he said he was very remorseful about.

    The judge let him off lightly due to his career and his good reputation in society, although he has to stay on the sex offenders registrar for 7 years and isn't allowed to work around children anymore.

    His parents think he is 'troubled' and are seeking therapy sessions for him.... along with more gifts and spoiling of him. My sisters and I and my other cousins and relatives have shunned him after what he's done and we don't speak to him and won't let him anywhere near our children.

    Well that just goes to show that even paying for a private eduction for your child doesn't always guarantee they'll be a good citizen in society.... especially when looking at the amount of paedophiles amongst diplomats and teachers and politicians.

    Also bear-in-mind that there's plenty of hard-working and decent citizens from working-class families who've never committed any crimes and who went to ordinary comprehensive schools.

    I was so much happier in a single-sex secondary school for females only (we'd have three hour cookery lessons there)... than my time in a mixed-sex school full of boys and girls, which I didn't like at all as the schoolboys sometimes tried to touch schoolgirls where they shouldn't in the corridors which was intimidating. I think single-sex schools are better for teenagers to be able to concentrate without distractions.

    My fourth cousin (we just called her 'Aunty Molly') and my maternal great grandparents all told me when I was a teenager that there was no such thing as mixed sex schools in their day. They were stunned by all the pages of long algebra I showed to them which I enjoyed doing.... and the amounts of homework I was given... they said that maths classes were more simplified for girls in their day, compared to what I was expected to learn in maths classes.

    (Maths, Music, and English Literature were my most favourite school subjects. My mum was excellent at maths and so she pushed me to also be in the top maths class set in my secondary school each year.... and our very strict Maths teacher pushed his GCSE-level students to an A-level standard of Maths. Physics, P.E. and Drama were my worst subjects.... too shy for drama and P.E.)

    There's some excellent schools available, (especially privately-funded schools if people can afford to pay the fees,) and also a range of free comprehensive schools with various ratings of academic achievements from their pupils. Parents often like to look around a few years in advance prior to their child's fifth birthday at the different ratings of schools before enrolling their children at a school.

    Different teachers specialise in each academic subject and monitor their progress, and schools have all the facilities to enhance a child's learning in the science departments, P.E. and gymnasium areas, etc.

    There's many activities that involves good teamwork and team contribution and this can be very enjoyable for children and important to their social development too .... especially when participating in school plays in drama lessons, or playing in school concert bands, or taking part in nativity plays, or being part of a rounders, cricket, rugby or netball team, for examples.

    It's also enjoyable for children to earn badges and participate in Brownies and later Girl Guides after school.... and for boys to join the Cubs and Boy Scouts.

    There's a sense of responsibility in being made as a prefect in secondary school. (I was very quiet and shy, so I was made the first-ever school prefect librarian which was a role and duty that I loved and relished, as I was a fast typist and enjoyed reading and spending much time in the school library during break times.)

    (I loved neatly organising and arranging piles of books onto the shelves and sipping tea and talking to the school library adult secretaries, and maintaining pupils library accounts for them. I was too shy to tell other pupils off by monitoring the school corridors like the other bossy school prefects had to do. I always felt like the nice prefect who never had to tell anyone off, but just stayed in the cosy library stamping peoples library books for them and helping them with enquiries during breaktimes instead.)

    Children are competitive (like all humans in life) and are expected to keep up with the rest of their class and learn how to deal with bullies in the competitive nature of the world. They need to learn and develop their social skills and learn how to select and make friends from the people around them and learn that humans all have different personalities and characters.

    Children feel equal to the others in their type of school and class when wearing a mandatory school uniform, and more able to study when dressed in their smart and formal school uniforms - rather than when they're dressed in casual clothes. I always felt very proud of my school uniforms in my primary, junior, and secondary schools, and I always felt professional and in a study-mode whenever I wore my uniform, and I'd go into a casual and more relaxed frame of mind when I changed out of my school uniform and into my home clothes after school and homework were both finished.

    School pupils don't need to compete with expensive styles of clothes, nor feel distracted or worry about deciding which fashionable clothes to wear to school each day, when they have a school uniform. School uniforms also prepares children into the early habit of dressing smartly when working later in life too. If a child absconds or goes missing, members of the public will recognise which school the child belongs to by their school uniform. There's numerous reasons why I strongly support school uniforms being mandatory (which already is a compulsory school requirement in the UK.)

    It looks unprofessional and slovenly seeing children who don't bother to wear school uniforms in some other foreign nations.

    I see some very smart, intelligent, and polite boys dressed in smart blazers going to private schools in my area, as well as smart and cute little girls in pretty little smart uniform dresses and straw-hats walking with their parents to very nice and pleasant schools .... but I've also seen some awfully-behaved kids who swear and shout obsceneties and use bad language in public after they've finished their school... and they don't keep their school uniforms smart.... and so I don't think they go to good schools, or their parents don't teach them decent mannerisms.

    It's also important for children to learn and develop their social skills and be able to meet different people around them to prepare them for the world later in life, and also learn to work as part of a team in activities which involve teamwork, as well as being able to work alone.

    Gaahl (one of the most feared men in Norway) went to a school with just one other boy in the tiny and remote school... um... check him out... .... and also look what happened to this anti-social, psychotic killer, and narcissistic person who was home-schooled for much of his life as his parents said the world is a 'dirty and evil place'. He developed serious social problems and is diagnosed by several psychiatrists as having paranoid schizophrenia, histrionic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, and psychosis. He is unable to interact with others without wanting constant attention on himself all the time, and he's unable to understand the feelings of other people around him who he hurts. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...r-Human-Killer

    I don't wish to be paranoid, but there are a few issues which are concerning about some schools though.... such as either religious or political brainwashing taking place in schools - such as this outrageous Jewish religious boys school in East London (now closed) that taught the secondary-age pupils that all non-Jews are 'evil' and 'inferior' to Jewish people. The pupils in that illegal religious school were forbidden to learn sciences and certain academic subjects that conflicted with their damned religious beliefs: https://www.hackneycitizen.co.uk/201...g-order-close/ (I strongly believe that all schools should be entirely academic and secular - as religious indoctrination is child abuse.)

    Also there's the risk of a perverted teacher being around children when children are left with adults you don't know in schools, and CCTV cameras filming children are reportedly appearing in a growing amount of school toilets and school P.E. changing rooms: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...Changing-Rooms

    Then there's the risks of school bullying, along with a concern about a lack of adequate supervision during school outings;- especially when children are taken away on school trips to foreign countries.

    Teachers are expected to adhere to policies of proper supervision and care whilst taking children on school trips out of the school... otherwise they can be prosecuted with child neglect if any harm comes to your child as a result of inadequate supervision during outings. Parents should be able to trust their child in the care of teachers and other adults.... otherwise the teachers should be fired and prosecuted if they seriously neglect, mistreat, or abuse any child.

    I understand that teachers are required to discipline children who misbehave - and few children are perfectly behaved, but there's a difference between standard disciplinary measures and the downright abuse of a child. Prevention is always better than cure though, so always go with your instincts if there's something that you don't quite trust about a teacher, or if you're worried, then parents can opt to go along as a school assistant and ask to be a voluntary helper on the school outing.

    The way to get around this is to properly check the school and its credentials out and casually ask the views of other parents whose children are in the school before enrolling a child there, and attend the regular child progress meetings between the school teachers and parents, and talk regularly with your child/ren to make sure they're happy and aren't being bullied or mistreated.... a child should be able to talk freely and gain the trust of their parents to feel that it's ok to talk about problems without a fear of being embarrassed if it's discreetly and politely reported to the school in a sensitive manner.... because children are often nervous and afraid that the bullying will get worse if it's reported - so it has to be done in a discreet and reassuring manner with a headteacher.

    My mum went along as a helper and assistant on school outings with my sister after I got lost on a school trip along with my friend, to check that my sister and the other children were safely supervised after what happened to me and my friend on a school trip to France. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...Changing-Rooms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen B View Post
    Υes and no.
    Its good because you can avoid bullying, and the home/teach (parent or other), can monitor more closely the kids learning, and advance as fast as it is possible .
    Its bad because school also offer socialization and friends, which are vital to a kid, apart from his/her family.

    In my country, its isn't legal.
    Lol typical commie talks from you, which is no wonder if you are living in Greece which is pretty much communist country. Just because kids are homeschooled do not mean that they have to stay inside their homes 24/7, they can have hobbies and friends in other places. In USA where millions students are homeschooled, every stats show that they end up more successful than those in public schools.

    Academic Performance
    • The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. (The public school average is the 50th percentile; scores range from 1 to 99.) A 2015 study found Black homeschool students to be scoring 23 to 42 percentile points above Black public school students (Ray, 2015).
    • Homeschool students score above average on achievement tests regardless of their parents’ level of formal education or their family’s household income.
    • Whether homeschool parents were ever certified teachers is not related to their children’s academic achievement.
    • Degree of state control and regulation of homeschooling is not related to academic achievement.
    • Home-educated students typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions.
    • Homeschool students are increasingly being actively recruited by colleges.


    Social, Emotional, and Psychological Development (Socialization)
    • The home-educated are doing well, typically above average, on measures of social, emotional, and psychological development. Research measures include peer interaction, self-concept, leadership skills, family cohesion, participation in community service, and self-esteem.
    • Homeschool students are regularly engaged in social and educational activities outside their homes and with people other than their nuclear-family members. They are commonly involved in activities such as field trips, scouting, 4-H, political drives, church ministry, sports teams, and community volunteer work.
    • Adults who were home educated are more politically tolerant than the public schooled in the limited research done so far.

    Gender Differences in Children and Youth Respected?
    • One researcher finds that homeschooling gives young people an unusual chance to ask questions such as, “Who am I?” and “What do I really want?,” and through the process of such asking and gradually answering the questions home-educated girls develop the strengths and the resistance abilities that give them an unusually strong sense of self.
    • Some think that boys’ energetic natures and tendency to physical expression can more easily be accommodated in home-based education. Many are concerned that a highly disproportionate number of public school special-education students are boys and that boys are 2.5 times as likely as girls in public schools to be diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

    Success in the “Real World” of Adulthood

    The research base on adults who were home educated is growing; thus far it indicates that they:
    • participate in local community service more frequently than does the general population,
    • vote and attend public meetings more frequently than the general population
    • go to and succeed at college at an equal or higher rate than the general population
    • by adulthood, internalize the values and beliefs of their parents at a high rate
    http://www.nheri.org/research/resear...schooling.html

    Three percent of American students — about 1.5 million children — are homeschooled, according to the 2012 Statistical Abstract recently released by the U.S. Census Bureau. The Census, which relies on data from 2007, also offers a sense of what kind of families choose homeschooling: Compared to the American school parents as a whole, homeschool parents are more likely to be white and have a four-year college degree, and have a household of two parents and at least three children. (Note: my estimate is based on the number of children, ages 5-17, in each state in the summer of 2012.)

    An article in USA Today reported that the number of homeschoolers has risen as much as 74% in 2007 from 1999, bringing the number to 1.5 million homeschoolers in the U.S. However, home school advocates estimate the number is much higher than that (Lloyd, 2009). Gail Mulligan, who is a statistician, said “[t]here’s no reason to believe it would not keep going up.” (Lloyd, 2009). The article also reported that the reasons parents gave for homeschooling their children is also changing. Religious and moral reasons were still number one but the number of “other reasons” rose to 32% in 2007 from 20% in 2003 (Lloyd, 2009).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog View Post
    Lol typical commie talks from you, which is no wonder if you are living in Greece which is pretty much communist country. Just because kids are homeschooled do not mean that they have to stay inside their homes 24/7, they can have hobbies and friends in other places. In USA where millions students are homeschooled, every stats show that they end up more successful than those in public schools
    http://www.nheri.org/research/resear...schooling.html
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    No, of course they don't have to stay inside their homes. But the amount of time spend in school vs the amount of time spend in their hobbies, isn't the same.

    As for the success, I don't disagree. I didn't even that I consider one method better than the other, I said the cons and the pros of homeschooling, simple as that.

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    In Greece we have a system that few countries could understand , pupils will attend a public school in the mornings and they're getting home schooled in the afternoon

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    Homeschooling is great, especially in the West because of the nature of public schooling there.

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    Silly me thinking it was intended for financial benefits of people who can't afford to spend much more money on schooling away from home, because they live in rural areas or whatever.

    Wouldn't homeschooling kids prone to being bullied be contra-productive, leave them in the comfort zone and they'll never grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormBringer View Post
    Silly me thinking it was intended for financial benefits of people who can't afford to spend much more money on schooling away from home, because they live in rural areas or whatever.

    Wouldn't homeschooling kids prone to being bullied be contra-productive, leave them in the comfort zone and they'll never grow.
    Lol, so lets say a child is very sensitive and that`s why he/she is prone to be bullied, you think is better that he goes there anyway so he could "grow" ... That is just stupidest thing I have heard today, and very unscientific also. You must realize that because of bullying in schools, millions of adults still suffer from mental illness and PSTD and many of them are not able to work or to do anything productive.. but I guess it was worth of "growing experience"

    Bullying can have a lasting effect on a person's mental health: A new study finds that children who were bullied frequently when they were 8 years old were more likely to develop a psychiatric disorder that needed treatment as an adult, compared with kids who were not bullied.

    The scientists also found strong evidence that being bullied as a child puts kids at high risk for depression as a young adult, according to the study, published online today (Dec. 9) in the journal JAMA Psychiatry.


    The findings suggest that being victimized by bullying in early childhood increases the risk of depressive disorders that need psychiatric treatment later in life, said study author Dr. Andre Sourander, a professor of child psychiatry at the University of Turku in Finland.
    http://www.livescience.com/53034-chi...h-effects.html

    Childhood bullying 'can lead to depression and unemployment in adulthood'
    Childhood bullying can continue to damage mental and physical health long into adulthood, a new study has said, with victims more likely to suffer from depression, ill-health and even joblessness up to 40 years later. latest study, which looked at data on the personal development of nearly 8,000 children born in 1958, revealed that those who had suffered bullying between the ages of seven and 11 were still more likely to suffer from a range of health and social problems, even up to the age 50. Individuals who were bullied frequently were nearly twice as likely to be suffering from depression at the age of 45, and were also more likely to develop anxiety disorders and suicidal thoughts. Victims were also more likely to have lower educational levels, and men who were bullied were more likely to be unemployed, and to earn less. Bullying also appeared to have an impact on people’s social development, with victims less likely to be in a relationship aged 50, or to have strong social support networks.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...y-9268365.html

    Home-schooling have nothing to do with bullying though, since 99% parents who homeschool their children are not doing it because of bullying.

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