Beautiful Non-European Women

**Hurrem sultana** · 12-10-2011, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Incal

That depends on what "natural" means to you but it could also be cultural, I've talked with a couple of balkanian girls and their ideal of beauty was to be as anorexic as possible. In any case, since the beginings of history women have always had more fat than not (to protect themselves from weather and nature) so, to me, her body is closer to the "natural" type. Skinny looks among women started to get popular in the XX century, reflecting the decadence and corruption of humanity.

natural would be if she had more fat everywhere on her body(not attractive but that's natural),not just around her hips...

that's what i meant with unnatural

and yeah you are right outside Europe bigger women are more popular,but i still think the ideal is something like jennifer lopez body

**Incal** · 12-10-2011, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by bosnian

natural would be if she had more fat everywhere on her body(not attractive but that's natural),not just around her hips...

Not necessarily. That's an adaptative trait to some particular enviromental conditions.

**Agrippa** · 12-11-2011, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Incal

Not necessarily. That's an adaptative trait to some particular enviromental conditions.

Usually it is the combination of sexual and environmental selection.

However, some extremes are just what you get if having a "normal trend". This means a group which has the tendency to bigger butts for example will automatically produce "non optimal extremes" - so the goal is more moderate, but because the whole population being shifted in that direction, certain extremes will pop up more often.

That is what you can say about many more extreme tendencies in comparison to world standards.

**Incal** · 12-11-2011, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Usually it is the combination of sexual and environmental selection.

However, some extremes are just what you get if having a "normal trend". This means a group which has the tendency to bigger butts for example will automatically produce "non optimal extremes" - so the goal is more moderate, but because the whole population being shifted in that direction, certain extremes will pop up more often.

That is what you can say about many more extreme tendencies in comparison to world standards.

I wouldn't rule out the climatic factor either.

About Steatopygia (which is the most extreme case of this):

In steatopygia, the buttocks consist of masses of fat incorporated between criss-crossed sheets of connective tissue, joined to one another in a regular manner, while in other greatly enlarged buttocks, there is a mere accumulation of fat between two of the gluteus muscles (maximus and medius).

Steatopygia is believed to be an adaptive physiological feature for female humans living in hot environments, as it maximizes their bodies' surface-area/volume ratio but keeps enough fat to produce hormones needed for menstruation.

With fat deposited heavily in only certain areas in the middle on the trunk of the body, the limbs are left slim enough to expel heat more efficiently.

But more likely, being able to store large fat amounts is important in very seasonal environments like those in African savanna, where during the dry season, a food shortage installs, and live largely off of their stored fat.

Bushmen and pygmies are still hunters-gatherers, unlike other African populations that practice agriculture, so they do not experience severe food shortage during the dry season.

Women possessing these fat deposits can keep on reproducing through the unproductive seasons, thereby increasing their fitness.

**Agrippa** · 12-11-2011, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Incal

I wouldn't rule out the climatic factor either.

About Steatopygia (which is the most extreme case of this):

It is more reasonable to deposit fat in the buttock region, that is known, but it was also sexual selection to concentrate it in such an extreme way and of course, the more extreme cases are simply adipose-fat or over-extreme, like described.

The normal steatypical tendency is one thing, the rather pathological cases known from the extreme descriptions are like Europeans with excessive belly fat for example. Not ideal, not wanted, but the result of a general tendency.

**Incal** · 12-11-2011, 02:21 PM

It must be also noted that there was a time when European women also 'suffered' from Steatopygia:

(left) Venus of Dolni Vestonice, Czechia, burnt clay
(center) Venus of Willendorf, Austria, chalk.
(right) Venus of Lespugue, France, mammoth ivory.

Even on this time and age I've seen some Euro girls who still got some 'steatopygic' remnants

**Agrippa** · 12-11-2011, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Incal

It must be also noted that there was a time when European women also 'suffered' from Steatopygia:

(left) Venus of Dolni Vestonice, Czechia, burnt clay
(center) Venus of Willendorf, Austria, chalk.
(right) Venus of Lespugue, France, mammoth ivory.

Even on this time and age I've seen some Euro girls who still got some 'steatopygic' remnants

Those were depictions of old women, most likely mothers which survived various births, so hardly an (aesthetic/sexual) ideal neither, but rather something the women might have kept for being protected against all the odds of fertility and pregnancy in a time in which pregnancies were the most probable reason for an earlier death once the girls hit the fertile age and being infertile was most likely a great shame and social problem as well.

And they also show a rather "more Northern" fat distribution, just look at especially at the "Venus von Willendorf", which shows a rather masculine "apple like"/android fat distribution even.

A somewhat larger ass is not negative, can be positively selected, like I said, it is about moderation and even a moderate tendency in a racial type will produce a higher rate of (rather unwanted) extremes. That can be seen in various populations for various traits.