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Thread: Italians vs. Chuvash: Who is whiter?

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    Their mtDNA gene pool was found to be 89.1% European and 9.1% Asian. The majority of individual exhibit the maternal haplogroups H (31%), U (22%), and K (11%), all representative of western and northern Europeans, but absent in Altaic or Mongolian populations. The Chuvash may be descended from Turkic Bulgars who settled north of the Black Sea. Unlike the Chinese Turkic speakers, the Turkic peoples from Eastern Europe (Gagauzes, Tatars, Chuvashes, and Bashkirs) are genetically similar to their geographic neighbors and only display a minor share of mtDNA and Y-DNA haplogroups characteristic of East Asia.

    A sample of 96 unrelated individuals from Chuvashia, Russia was sequenced for hypervariable region-I (HVR-I) of the mtDNA molecule. The Chuvash speak a Turkic language that is not mutually intelligible to other extant Turkish groups, and their genetics are distinct from Turkic-speaking Altaic groups. Some scholars have suggested that they are remnants of the Golden Horde, while others have advocated that they are the products of admixture between Turkic and Finno-Ugric speakers who came into contact during the 13th century. Earlier genetic research using autosomal DNA markers suggested a Finno-Ugric origin for the Chuvash. This study examines non-recombining DNA markers to better elucidate their origins. The majority of individuals in this sample exhibit haplogroups H (31%), U (22%), and K (11%), all representative of western and northern Europeans, but absent in Altaic or Mongolian populations. Multidimensional scaling (MDS) was used to examine distances between the Chuvash and 8 reference populations compiled from the literature. Mismatch analysis showed a unimodal distribution. Along with neutrality tests (Tajima's D (-1.43365) p < 0.05, Fu's FS (-25.50518) p < 0.001), the mismatch distribution is suggestive of an expanding population. These tests suggest that the Chuvash are not related to the Altai and Mongolia along their maternal line but supports the 'Elite' hypothesis that their language was imposed by a conquering group — leaving Chuvash mtDNA largely of Eurasian origin with a small amount of Central Asian gene flow. Their maternal markers appear to most closely resemble Finno-Ugric speakers rather than fellow Turkic speakers (Graf et al. 2010).

    Chuvashes, the only extant Oghur speakers showed an older admixture date (9th century) than their Kipchak-speaking neighbors in the Volga region. According to historical sources, when the Onogur-Bolgar Empire (northern Black Sea steppes) fell apart in the 7th century, some of its remnants migrated northward along the right bank of the Volga river and established what later came to be known as Volga Bolgars, of which the first written knowledge appears in Muslim sources only around the end of the 9th century [40]. Thus, the admixture signal for Chuvashes is close to the supposed arrival time of Oghur speakers in the Volga region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Agreed with all except with the implication about Mongols having light skin
    That depends on the season. In the winter Mongols have white skin, even those who work outside:


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    Question which "Italians"? does any nationality consist of a single pheno-type?

    the italian apricians must have heard the old joke
    that garibaldi did not "
    unite italy" — he "dismembered north africa".

    the veneto say that “
    Africa starts south of the Po”.

    the fiorentini say that “
    Africa comincia a Roma

    romans say that the boundary is just north of naples.

    napolitani define africa to include calabria and sicily.

    the bolzanesi think of all italy as being africa.
    (they think of their selves as living in southern austria, the südtirol.)

    during october of 1973,
    the most common joke in milan

    was that sicily should be awarded the nobel peace prize
    for being the only arab nation
    that refrained from declaring war on israel.



    it would seem that most "italians"
    think other "italians" are darker than the chuvash.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sailormoon View Post
    Their mDNA gene pool was found to be 89.1% European and 9.1% Asian.
    Fake. No way the Chuvash are only 9 % Asian and 90 % European. Anthropological studies say that 70% of the Chuvash belong to Sub-Uralid/Uralid types, 10% are pure Mongoloid and only 20% belong to different Caucasoid forms.

    Here is a good video from rural area of Chuvashia.

    Allmost all people in the video show Uralid/Mongoloid traits and only 1 or 2 persons look Caucasoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travv View Post
    10% are pure Mongoloid
    Can you show me those pure Mongoloid chuvashoids?

    Like really Japanese looking

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    these threads are made by third worlders obsessed with whiteness or by trolls...there is no another reason of such threads.

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    In any case Italians are (and look) White Europeans, although the usual cherrypicking of retarded third worlders suffering from inferior complexes,
    Chuvash people look mixed with Asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aivap View Post
    these threads are made by third worlders obsessed with whiteness or by trolls...there is no another reason of such threads.
    Dombra is a prof troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russki View Post
    Can you show me those pure Mongoloid chuvashoids?

    Like really Japanese looking

    Some ot them.
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    But I posted dozens of Chuvash women who look like these.

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    "Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas"

    "Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, incipe."

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